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FBI Confidential Informant Also Said to be Provocateur
Attention radical leftist types: That friend of yours who’s always trying to get you to act like an asshole is a cop.
According to activists from Des Moines, Philadelphia, Miami, Sacramento, and other locations, a young woman named “Anna” allegedly infiltrated peace and justice rallies and anarchist meetings, and even attempted to join protests against the Democratic National Committee (DNC) ahead of the DNC’s national convention last year as a paid FBI confidential “informant.” Activists say that she has tried to provoke conflict at various advocacy events and violent incidents with police to get people arrested. In other words, Anna is not just an informant, she may be a provocateur.Although she is known among activist groups as either Anna Davies or Anna Davidson, others know her as Grai Damiani. She focuses her efforts largely on “anarchist” groups.
In January 2006, Eric McDavid, Lauren Weiner, and Zachary Jenson were arrested in California and charged with knowingly conspiring to use fire or explosives to damage property. Their arrest was the direct result of work by Anna, who was “deeply embedded within the subjects’ cell,” according to FBI documents.
McDavid’s attorney, Mark Reichel, states that Anna was always pushing McDavid to do something criminal, taught the three how to make the bombs, supervised their activities, and repeatedly threatened to leave them if they didn’t start doing “something.”
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Are Anarchist that big of a threat to the Feds, that they have to infiltrate and discredit them?
Freely thinking people who imagine that life without a federal government would be pretty peaceful, happy, and harmonious are most certainly a threat. That is why the label “anarchist” is tossed around in the press at anyone who dressses in black, throws molitov cocktails through the windows of private property, and blocks traffic while carrying rediculous banners with the “A” symbol on it.
It would be a very dangerous time indeed if it became known that the likes of JRR Tolkien, Joe Sobran, Hans Hermann Hoppe, my own grandfather, and many others were all decent and respectable anarchists.
It would also be dangerous if word got out that there were classes of anarchists who believed in private property as a basic right, and were not starry eyed utopians. Most people are dissuaded by the image in their mind of the 19-year old anarchist with the dreadlocks and patchouli, smoking a doob, preaching how everything would be magically perfect if their anarchist vision of things were forced upon the world.
It would be nice to live in such a world…….
You know I strongly believe that this kind of infiltration, provocation, and propaganda is taking place with the illegal immigration issue. Yea I’m not done with that thread just yet, I thought I was until I saw this post and began to think about it.
The RFID thing with immigrants, and using the anger Americans have for illegal immigration to further the goal of bring about a police state. Tom Tancredo (R) fueling the fire on the right and other leftist groups fueling the fire on their side, but the goal is to bring about a police state.
What do you all think?
That’s what I’ve been trying to tell you bro… : )
We have the same goal, we see and can agree upon the real problems, but where we differ is in how we think we should go about fixing them. I think your ways are pie in the sky, and you think my ways betray the spirit of Libertarianism.
Let me just say I consult many different forms of media, and try my best to get the story form as many sides as I can in an effort to piece together the essential truth of an issue, in short I try to be a smart consumer of news and information. Libertarianism is great, but your not going to get it in one fell swoop, we are small in number and the enemy is well equipped, well financed, well connected, has a strong grip on the masses, and has a powerful desire to win. In some (not all) cases we have to be willing to fight fire with fire if we are to reach our stated goals. Immigration happens to be one of those issues we must fight in a collectivist manner if we are to persevere. It\’s a sad fact, but a fact nonetheless!
Scott, if you support, aid, give credence to, or other wise help the cause of open borders at this time in history, you will be playing into the hands of the collectivist. It\’s important not to be so blinded by your own political or religious ideas that they can be used against you at a very critical time. You are right, but at this juncture, you must suppress your natural tendencies.
Just means toward just ends do not produce unfavorable consequences.
Unjust means toward just ends almost always do.
Restricting human liberty by force to save it is therefore questionable.
Beyond abstraction, in practice, the more people are allowed to voluntarily act, associate, travel, engage in commerce, and learn, the greater prosperity is known.
No one ever said that capitalism always produces a perfect solution in the short-term. No one ever claimed that its ideals are utopian. But the long term record of the loosening of the marketplace by the forces of kings and governments, I think, speaks for itself.
\”The RFID thing with immigrants, and using the anger Americans have for illegal immigration to further the goal of bring about a police state.\”
And those opposing this stuff are helping? How so?
You need to oppose both the attempt at police state and at this time open borders as well. It’s a classical set-up (Problem, Reaction, Solution). The Problem being, the open borders and illegal immigration. The Reaction being, what we are seeing right now, the anger of both Americans and Mexicans both being aggravated and pushed towards violence by agents who infiltrate, serve as provocateurs, and spew forth propaganda for the manufactured TWO sides of the issue who are both controlled by powerful elements of the world that want to centralize power. The Solution presented to the American people will be a bag of empty promises (you know type, like how the Federal Reserve was sold to our great grandparents. Another fine example of Problem, Reaction, Solution) that will only strengthen the power centers, steel freedoms away from Americans, and lead to a lower standard of living for both Americans and Mexicans.
I know you will take issue with the “Problem”, (open borders and illegal immigration as a problem) fair enough; let me explain why it is a problem. It’s a problem because of the reaction of the masses and it’s a problem because of the solution the power brokers have in mind. Unless you have some crafty way of dethroning these people in positions of power (The World Bank, The IMF, Powerful Corporations, The UN, The Federal Reserve or as Jackson would put it “The Paper Men”) in one fell swoop, and can make the masses understand what is really going on, I honestly don’t see how you expect to win following a strategy you and many here speak of. Make no mistake we are in a war (a covert one at the moment, but a war nonetheless) with the powers of tyranny.
Jed,
Perposterous. Immigrants are a problem because the state says they are. Give me a break.
I guess we better do something about Iran’s nuclear program.
No, I think we should let Iran do what ever they want. If they fire off a nuke then it’s MAD.
Why don’t you qualify your “Preposterous” with a little more than a one-sentence objection? So far that’s all I have been getting from you and I expect a lot more. I want to be wrong about this issue, but so far neither you nor anyone else here has made a strong case for open borders in the environment in which we find ourselves today.
Jed my friend,
You are the one calling for state violence. Convince me.
First of all it would be much easier to talk about this in person, it seems this medium “the blog” lacks the substance that real conversations have.
Second, you and the few here are the minority, and it would be more beneficial for you to convince the majority, than for me to convince you!
Third, I am truly looking for a realistic argument from you and others who see it as you do, but so far all you and one or two others have given me are links to manifestos, and other pie in the sky arguments that are not realistic. Come on! You can do better than that……..can’t you?
Sadly it is beginning to look as if this party (libertarians) is very fractured and very cliquish, however this party does have the best ideas, it’s just that everyone in it can’t agree on how to do anything.
I feel a rant coming on….
You people of no compromise and total adherence to a manifesto are hurting this party, you will NEVER go anywhere so long as your throwing mud at candidates like Badnarik, calling him a National Socialist and telling everyone you would not have supported him had you known he had this or that view 10 degrees off center of yours, or he does not measure up 100% to your goddamn manifesto!
All right the rant is over….I feel better now.
Now tell me how do we convince our neighbors, gain control of our city government, convince our county neighbors, gain control of the county government, convince our state neighbors and gain control of our state government, convince our national neighbors and gain control of our national government THIS YEAR and implement your manifesto?
If there is a realistic road map that will bring about a libertarian world, which will not make compromises along the way, I would certainly like to see it!
As I see it there has been a slow march, or a natural progression from where we were (the dark ages) to a world of free and responsible individuals (where we want to get to). We were on that path (a few bumps and curves here and there) but in the early 20th century we began to veer way off course and now were heading down the road of fascism. I do not agree with you that we can go from the road we are on now back to the road that leads to liberty with out backtracking first.
Okay Scott, I know you love Texas so let me put this in a Texas Interstate Highway Analogy. Austin, Texas is your ideal form of government, El Paso is the dark ages and Feudalistic, Dallas and San Antonio represent the Republic, Houston is the Fascist state. Ok were on a bus it is now the dark ages, and we are in El Paso heading east on I-10 towards Monarchy, we get to the I-10, I-20 interchange out in BFE, both I-10 and I-20 lead to the Republic, we choose I-20, because something up north seems to be sucking us up that way……… we get to Dallas and the Republican form of government in 1776. Most of us want to go to Austin, but still other well connected bastards want to go to Houston, and for 100+ years we find ourselves on the LBJ loop (I-635) going around and around Dallas, then in 1913 your favorite president (Wilson) starts driving our bus and takes advantage of everyone’s dizziness and convinces a majority of us that Houston has a better climate and nice beaches to boot, so were on I-45 heading towards a fascist state! Right now in 2006 we find ourselves passing that big statues of Sam Houston, were almost there, how do we get to Austin from here (Interstates Only)?
If we take the direct path you speak of it will require us to convert US-290 and Texas State Highway 1488 into an Interstate that leads directly to Austin. The problem with this approach, is that it takes a lot of money, a lot of labor, a lot of concrete, rebar, asphalt, and a lot of time to build or even to convert a highway into a fully functioning Interstate. (US Highway 290 and Texas 1488 represents the current state of the Libertarian cause; it’s lack of money, power, labor, and materials to become a viable Interstate) What I have been trying to pound into this Stress Blog is that we must avoid Houston at all cost, and the reality of the environment we find ourselves in does not allow for us to construct that new Interstate, so the only realistic choice we have is to turn around go back to Dallas and then take I-35 to Austin. This means revisiting some of those (Tribalistic) nationalistic sentiments you (and I) would rather just skip right over (But were only 2 of the 291 million on this bus).
I don’t know how much clearer I can make this, the bus of course represents the American population and the drivers are the presidents and other influential centers of power that has and is directing the bus. If we are to get into the drivers seat which way would you have us go?
It’s all in the manifesto
When I finish with my current book, I plan on reading the entire manifesto. Even if it’s all in there, you guys sure haven’t been very successful at getting out to the public, and that is one point you must concede.
Yeah, well they took away my goddamn radio show!
I think the strategy ought to be this: push in all directions in a principled manner until a leverage point is found where headway is being made. Then push in a principled manner at that leverage point until the balance tips in our favor.
I don’t think that sweet spot has been found yet, though the Free State Project looks awfully promising in comparison with everything else.
Yeah, I miss your shows there is cearently a void now that your off the air.
Guy’s don’t take me wrong, your voice is very important, it keeps the rest of us honest, but for crying out loud, when are we going to get our act together?
I like the free state project, the theory behind it is in large part why I am against open borders.
Case in point: “Yeah, well they took away my goddamn radio show!” I mean, Jesus Christ Scott what did you think they were going to do? You see things far too clearly and speak much too plainly…Hard core, inflexible, incorrigible, State hating, inflammatory, bellegerent, provocative, relentless, in your face Libertarian who never passes up an occasion to launch a scathing attack…Thus reinforcing the stigma that accompanies the title libertarian in the public mind. You’re not going to get anywhere Politically that way. But as you see, you will lose media exposure. If I were to tell you “Scott you’re running your head into a brick wall.” I’m sure you’d say something like “Did you ever think I was loosening a brick?” You are one woolly headed individual. Outstanding engine—Piss poor transmission. Politics is the art of subtlety, persuasion equivocation and compromise. You are not. With you its either black or white. Right or wrong. Tyranny or Liberty. Political acumen dictates otherwise. Rather like natural selection. Untill you mellow out you, I get the idea you will continue to wander in the wilderness of the Internet. The crazier you act—and I place great emphasis on the term act, the farther away you get from effecting those reforms that should be made. Render operations best suited to the State to the State, those best served by the market to the market, and let each keep what is theirs. This paradigm will never occur in the order that you and others envision premised on a kind of intelligent, self regulating anarchy…Look at it this way: In your lifetime you’d be flying to convince the Courts that the IRS’s withholding of monies without the payment of interest is illegal/unconstitutional. Try that project first. See how you do. That and always remember this. The general public’s like a woman. It wants to be fucked. It’s all they know after 4000 years of Western civilzation…You can’t change that overnight.
…worse than all that you’re a Texan.
I was fired for not being a Jew/Mexican-hating militia nut who thinks they shot a missile at the Pentagon or paying them to do my show.
You bring up that old question I once had. That being….Just where is the line drawn between sites like this and Lew Rockwell and those such as Alex Jones?
I struggle with this and would like to hear a good debate on it.
Scott, I agree with you that RBN is a rather hate spewing machine, and since you’ve been off air I don’t listen to it. What sucks about being Libertarian is that it seems to be a junction point for conspiracy theory folks, some hard right ultra conservative Christian fundamentalism, militia types, a few raciest types, anarco-capitalist types, pissed off Republicans, the strict interpreting libertarians, and atheist.
I just want the truth, and to live in a world where I can just be me.
The only reason I take the opposite position on the border is because I know how this is going to go down in this political environment. Like I have said, you are right about it, and I agree with you, but right now is just not the time for it.
Hey I have spent the past two nights reading and researching the Free State Project, and then I re-listened to your interview with Jason Sorens, and heard you mention something about a free state out west. Found a site on the Free State Wyoming, and read about the fallout between the East and the West. I must agree with the idea that a free state east and west makes better sense than trying to get everyone to go to NH. For myself I would opt for WY, the numbers just make more sense.