Someone recently asked me, "Why is it that you say America cannot be a republic and an empire?"
Well, my friend, here is your answer: The Secretary of the United States Air Force wants to shoot you with ray guns in order, he says, to justify shooting them at foreigners.
"If we’re not willing to use it here against our fellow citizens, then we should not be willing to use it in a wartime situation [and we really want to shoot them at foreigners as soon as possible]."
Now comes the test. Will he be immediately fired, or will we all soon see hippies burning on TV?


Ah, a little more tough love from our government masters. I know they want to destroy the concept of human rights but maybe
if we’re all real lucky we will still retain some of those animal rights that the gitmo detainees longed for. You know, after a while
they stopped asking for human rights and were more than willing to settle for animal rights.
The fact that this arrogant slob is more worried about being “vilified” in the foreign press than being given the Ceaucescu treatment by his fellow citizens pretty much sums up the unlimited contempt the Busheviks have for Americans.
I do not understand your reasoning that this is inherently bad Scott. Perhaps, you know a great deal more about this system than me. But as for my understanding of the subject is that while there is the possibility of injury to persons
Everybody: please remember that Wynne is to be hung until dead for treason once Bushco is impeached and gone. No ifs, ands or buts: Wynne is a traitor. Remember what this guy has coming to him and don’t forget.
John M, you are a disinfo person and also a traitor as well who needs to be hung right next to Wynne, period.
Sure John, lets use it on Americans first. How about lying war criminal politicians and their shills and all the politicians who
continually violate the US Constitution.
So maybe we should then Waterboard All Neocons first before using it on foreigners under this logic??
The opened fire at the antiwar protesters at oakland docks april 7th, 2003. They’ll do it again.
I do not understand your reasoning that this is inherently bad Scott. Perhaps, you know a great deal more about this system than me. But as for my understanding of the subject is that while there is the possibility of injury to persons
On the one hand, I’m leery of any new toys being given to riot cops. On the other hand, I see where this guy’s coming from. After all, if you’re advertising your new weapon as “humane,” it’d be nice to make sure it’s at least safe enough for domestic law enforcement. On the other other hand, why the bleep would this guy want non-lethal weapons… in wartime? Isn’t the point of war to make your enemy as dead as possible? The only reason the military would need non-lethal weapons is if they were deployed against, say, a foreign civilian population that needed to be kept pacified (for the empire) but alive (for the cameras). But we wouldn’t send our boys (and girls) to do anything silly like that, would we?
if they point one of those things at me and try to fire it, i’m shooting back.
I distinctly remember the leftist-pinkos telling the second-amender-crowd NOT to bring weapons to protests in the run-up to the Iraq… ummm… “war”?.
Hmmm… I almost wonder if they will have a change of heart after reading this?
Actually, I’ve heard that the military has already utilized *experimental* weapons at the annual SOA protests. I myself have never been, but a little birdie told me.
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Pretty soon it will be this……..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haarp#HAARP_controversy
There is a film on STAR WARS weapons being used in Iraq called STAR WARS IN IRAQ. It can be viewed for free on INFORMATIONCLEARINGHOUSE.
I don’t like these things period, but I think JOHN M has a point that it is hypocritical to use something abroad that you don’t use domestically.
Best idea – don’t get involved in this crap at all.
A few responses to previous comments. ( I apologize for the length of this post, you all just make such good responses)
Tom Lowe
Oops, It seems like that last post did not turn out as I wanted it. I was trying to put peoples
“you people”
That pretty much says it all.
Susan,
I believe that you misunderstood what I meant by
John M–
I don’t necessarily mean shoot back with deadly force. A good slingshot with a projectile of scatalogical origin will do just fine.
A weapon such as this one would not only be useful to control rioters. It could be used to assert absolute control over a swath of territory, and then subsequently manipulate the aftermath later. You could flush out the residents of, say, a compound of religious nuts, and then open fire on them as they tried to escape. (Oh wait, did that already happen?) Or you could corrall them, like a trampling herd, into a detention situation. Entire groups of undesirable people could just “disappear” if the weapon’s use were coordinated properly.
Or perhaps more realistically, you can point it at a person’s home, and send their family running out screaming in agony. Then you could do what you wanted to with them on the doorstep. Arrest them? Detain them? Shoot them on the spot? Whatever. A device like this makes raids into your home a heck of a lot quicker, quieter, and more assured of the outcome that the State wishes.
Anyway, press wouldn’t want to get too close to a zone of pain, that’s for sure.
And, moreover, if you happen to have any piercings or implants, such a pain weapon would not just cause pain, but serious burns. Goths and punks would get it worse than hippies, Scott, be warned.
Finally, what happens to a person’s brain when its been in the pain zone? The brain has the consistency of a wet loaf of bread. It’s mostly water. The microwaves would, in all likelihood, cause the H-O bond stretching. This would create heat. The brain would cook in a subtle way. It is well known that cells have a very limited range of tolerances for higher temperature, otherwise, if above it they commit suicide.
Speculative, I know, but maybe one additional benefit of microwave pain weapons is that it has a subtle lobotomizing effect on the people under its control. Lobotomized people do not agitated protestors make, they make great, compliant, docile slaves.
A weapon like this is like Sauron retrieving his Ring of Power. Once he gets it, there’s no stopping him, and we’re all doomed. The allure of power with a weapon like this is too great for it not to be used as in the situations I described. That’s why I fear and dread the decades ahead.
Q) I’ve read the above comment. As Libertarians (or atleast people w/ Libertarian leanings) you presumably are strong Second A advocates.
It is apparently disturbing (and perhaps quite rightly) that the US Gov’t is exploring using these weapons (w/ our tax dollars) to use for “riot control/prevention” either domestically or overseas.
However, how would you feel if say some PRIVATE manufacturer was selling these weapons to say a PRIVATE security contractor to use or potentially use at a protest against potentially unruly protestors (say on PETA outside furrier, or on a RTL group outside an abortion clinic).
Is the issue here essentially regarding the GOVERNMENTS use of these items?
Is it the items themselves? (If the latter, how does this square w/ your 2nd Adm views?).
The microwave weapon works by “heating the outer milimeter or so of skin, producing extreme pain”. Harmless? Microwave exposure causes damage to the cornea, including cataracts, This weapon is very likely to cause blindness. The corneas would probably take a while – days or weeks – to cloud up, so this would give us deniability. After all, these are the new “non-lethal” weapons, but if you blind or cripple someone, that is, strictly speaking, non-lethal.
Oh, yeah, microwaves have been implicated in some cancers, as well.
Maybe the comment was deliberately made so as to gauge the response of the American people
to the possibility of use of this type of weapon,
or to distract from the surmounting difficulties in the present battle theatres.
If only FLASH GORDON was here to save us from these people……sigh!
let’s test it on him and his family first!!
That Commanders within Military and government do not see anything wrong with speculation into use of hi-tec weaponry against its own citizens is not surprising. Todays military is not the citizen soldiers of past generations but a professional military ttrained in corporate management techniques, from supply infrastructure to psycological manipulation of its workforce, its recruits and its supply of raw materials, citizens not directly under their control.
There is much wrong with the present ruling elites attitudes towards a citizenry it is supposed to be led by . It is common to both politcal partys in that while one is building the economic structures the other is restructuring the society in ways that will insure the raw materials, its future citizens, to support that corporate reality.
Insted of a well educated society we have a trainable society, a society built upon economic lines of mathematical configurations, where the bottom line puts profit of the nation ahead of its own populace. A profit, GDP figure, may go only to a very small minority of well educated superiors, leading a slightly larger group of innovative technoloogy wise individuals who supported by a large bureacucracy that looks upon societry as the raw materials to keep their state as the sole entity for their being is the new reality; for they are the ones with the vested interest to protect from any deviation. In other words their norm is your reality.
With the military as both enforcer of civil obedience, and the power to insure no foreign powers will interfere with domestic tranquility the only real enemy is a populace of unruly citiznry to defend against.
The menatlity of the military mind is that if it is for use against enemies overseas we should be able to use it against enemies of the state domesticly. Much as if it were a corporation it is not personal, it is the bottm line, its end product, and its market to the corporate establishemnt that needs protecting.
Micro waves are merely the hi-tech physical means to be used if and when the hi-tech propaganda manipultaion of domestic citizenry fails and as a weapon its international targets do not posess: both a means of protecting resources of our state eleite.
We the American populace have sold our birthright , Constitutional Law, for the security of economic conformity.
Microwave weapons have already been used in Iraq – and it has been posted that Israel used them as a test on Lebanon, as a softening up of the technology for our upcoming war on Iran. What a great branding program: Microwave weapons – thoroughly tested here at home. Coming to a ME country near you. These criminal need to be pushed out of office and hung from the Lincoln Memorial
Time to stop dupe support!
A senior member of al Qaeda in Iraq was killed during an operation in Baghdad this week while carrying letters for Osama bin Laden and the new leader of the terror group’s Iraqi offshoot, an Interior Ministry official said yesterday.
A senior member of al Qaeda in Iraq was killed during an operation in Baghdad this week while carrying letters for Osama bin Laden and the new leader of the terror group
If you have the secretary of the Air Force saying weapons must be tested on American civillians, how does ANYONE
believe that the troops are ‘fighting for our freedoms?’ What freedoms are those, the freedom to be fried by your government?
“Bush is right” writes:
“A senior member of al Qaeda in Iraq was killed during an operation in Baghdad this week while carrying letters for Osama bin Laden and the new leader of the terror group
By the way…
It is perfectly acceptable (to me) to insult the state and idiots like “Bush is right” who are basically just spamming, however, please, my good Stress blog commenter types, when someone new joins the debate and argues in good faith, let us not run him off, but instead show the way.
And speaking of which, John M-
The problem is that any of these new high-tech “non-leathal” weapons can be lethal, and if it comes to it, yes, I’d rather take on a guy with a stick than a ray gun. Crowd control neccessary sometimes? Yes, but I would also submit to you that 90% of all riots (in the US at least) are started not by those assembled, but the state agents that are there to ‘protect’ them.
As far as using weapons like this on Americans, remember that it is supposed to be the job of police to use the absolute minimum of force neccessary to apprehend a suspect in order to protect their rights, this is a weapon for indescriminate use – I’m assuming it doesn’t have a tight little beam and a rifle scope – against enemies, not minimal force to protect a suspect.
Well, good grief folks. The “weapons” can be sold to other “peace loving” countries, Myanar(sp), Indonesia, North Korea and such. The marketing slogan could be something like, “American tested on Americans”. Thisnk of the corporate profits. Long live the Empire!
OK, enough of my sarcastic remarks. “Crowd control”? Hell, if both “major” parties ever got off their corporate fattened hind ends and started acting like they really supported and defended the Constitutionas they took oaths to do, there would not be that many crowds to “control” in the first place.
Stop sending our jobs and tax monies to foreign countries and repair the levees around New Orleans. Actually FUND OUR schools and give our kids a real education. Creat JOBS for Americans. Real jobs, not just sweeping floors at Burger King. Quit running around the damned world like a drunken cop. By the way, I am a former Marine and did a tour in Viet Nam, another Imperial war of choice.
The idiot in the White House and ALL members of Congress are OUR employees! We gave them the jobs they have. We need to make them work for US for a change.
Just my 2 cents worth
Actually, if the government started to enforce/apply the CONSTITUTION there would be MORE RIOTS, not less. Many middle class groups getting “entitlements” would be up in arms and protesting – Repeal the Medicare giveaways, the gov’t college grants and loans.
C.E. Do you REALLY think that if the Gov’t limited itself to what the Constitution authorized there would be LESS RIOTS?
Wrong! This country is used to the entitlements and frankly want to get as much as they can.
Also, the Go’t is not supposed to create jobs, that is what occurs naturally when the private sector is allowed to operate.
SC
Steve C,
OK, you got me with the jobs deal. I should have said that the government should stop sending our jobs to other countries through devices like NAFTA etc.
Some “entitlements” ie Social Security have been deemed Constitutional, if not in the courts, then by default. I would supposed they would be “grandfathered” in by a majority of the people.
By the way, I meant to include in the countries that might be willing to buy the “non lethal” devices Myanmar (aka Burma). Hell, I can’t even spell…LOL
I would like to see if we could actually TRY to be a Constitutional Republic as opposed to the crap we are in now and the direction we seem to be headed thanks be to the almighty “decider”.
My other 2 cents worth.
Tyranny, like death, is to a certain extent an impossibility that becomes a reality…over time it is imposed by degrees.
Weapons like these are not necessarily non-lethal. As Scott has frequently pointed out, there are numerous deaths by Taser, now, via cops who think that it’s their gawd-given right to fry the heck out of suspects until they stop convulsing defiantly.
I suspect, but do not know for certain, that many of these RF weapons have a little dial where all you need to do is shift the frequency a little bit to achieve different effects within the radius of the beams. Nudge it one way and their internal organs get liquefied. Turn it another and they all lose control of their bowells. Turn it another way and they just sit down and start feeling uncontrollably listless and lethargic.
The pain thing is probably just the two second sales pitch for a weapon like this.
RE: private use of such a thing. Well, you see, it’s no longer private if such weapons are developed with public money. And the use of such a weapon is not private if used on public property, or if it’s rays extend beyond your own property line. It sure would be nice if I could have me one of these toys in a genuinely voluntary and minarchist society, but then, my neighbors would also be free to jeer at me from the street corner for being so rediculous.
Here are a few links leading to more info. Are they good objective pages or merely wild ramblings? It is up to you to decide.
Common Dreams News Center
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0721-10.htm
Defense Industry Daily
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/05/75m-for-directed-energy-ads2-riotbreaker/index.php#more
Defense Tech.org
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002035.html
Globalsecurity.org
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/v-mads.htm
Miami Indymedia.org
http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/09/5720.php
New Scientist
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725095.600
Refuse and Resist.org
http://www.refuseandresist.org/resist_this/103001microwave.html
Sandia National Labs
http://www.sandia.gov/news/resources/releases/2005/def-nonprolif-sec/active-denial.html
Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System
Here are a few links leading to more info. Are they good objective pages or merely wild ramblings? It is up to you to decide.
Common Dreams News Center
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0721-10.htm
Defense Industry Daily
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2005/05/75m-for-directed-energy-ads2-riotbreaker/index.php#more
Defense Tech.org
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/002035.html
Globalsecurity.org
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/v-mads.htm
Miami Indymedia.org
http://miami.indymedia.org/news/2006/09/5720.php
New Scientist
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725095.600
Refuse and Resist.org
http://www.refuseandresist.org/resist_this/103001microwave.html
Sandia National Labs
http://www.sandia.gov/news/resources/releases/2005/def-nonprolif-sec/active-denial.html
Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System