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	<title>Comments on: The First Week of Antiwar Radio (plus a couple from early December)</title>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/01/12/the-first-week-of-antiwar-radio-plus-a-couple-from-early-december/comment-page-1/#comment-17203</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 18:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Yeah, he did. That was Nietzsche&#039;s great, great nephew Ray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Yeah, he did. That was Nietzsche&#8217;s great, great nephew Ray</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/01/12/the-first-week-of-antiwar-radio-plus-a-couple-from-early-december/comment-page-1/#comment-17199</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nichee....I think you spelled his name wrong. 

Didn&#039;t he play middle linebacker for the Packers in the 1960&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nichee&#8230;.I think you spelled his name wrong. </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t he play middle linebacker for the Packers in the 1960&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/01/12/the-first-week-of-antiwar-radio-plus-a-couple-from-early-december/comment-page-1/#comment-17197</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Yeah, I know. Before I started posting on STRESS I couldn&#039;t even spell inttellecshul, but now I is one just like Nichee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Yeah, I know. Before I started posting on STRESS I couldn&#8217;t even spell inttellecshul, but now I is one just like Nichee</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/01/12/the-first-week-of-antiwar-radio-plus-a-couple-from-early-december/comment-page-1/#comment-17192</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, to be an intellectual !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, to be an intellectual !</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/01/12/the-first-week-of-antiwar-radio-plus-a-couple-from-early-december/comment-page-1/#comment-17188</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more small tirade...I forgot to tell Redrum he is dead on accurate w/his analysis of Divide and Conquer in Iraq...Very time honored tactic, if honored&#039;s the right word...yeah...I think so</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more small tirade&#8230;I forgot to tell Redrum he is dead on accurate w/his analysis of Divide and Conquer in Iraq&#8230;Very time honored tactic, if honored&#8217;s the right word&#8230;yeah&#8230;I think so</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/01/12/the-first-week-of-antiwar-radio-plus-a-couple-from-early-december/comment-page-1/#comment-17186</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Kudos Phil, you have an absolute grasp of the obvious...Cous Cous what&#039;s shakin&#039;?---That notwithstanding, and for now? All Hail The Decider! The Educator! The Abject Moron and The AIPAC Puppet! The Texas Tenebreo! ...Or I&#039;ll denounce your treasonous asses to Stun Gun Gonzales&#039; Thought Police!...Listen, I gotta run...time for the 2 minute hate, a.k.a. that fat cocksucker Rushton Limbaugh. AH HA HA! AHHHHHH HA HA HA!...Ya know Gentelmen? Sometimes I think I&#039;m losin&#039; my grip over all this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Kudos Phil, you have an absolute grasp of the obvious&#8230;Cous Cous what&#8217;s shakin&#8217;?&#8212;That notwithstanding, and for now? All Hail The Decider! The Educator! The Abject Moron and The AIPAC Puppet! The Texas Tenebreo! &#8230;Or I&#8217;ll denounce your treasonous asses to Stun Gun Gonzales&#8217; Thought Police!&#8230;Listen, I gotta run&#8230;time for the 2 minute hate, a.k.a. that fat cocksucker Rushton Limbaugh. AH HA HA! AHHHHHH HA HA HA!&#8230;Ya know Gentelmen? Sometimes I think I&#8217;m losin&#8217; my grip over all this</p>
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		<title>By: Cous Cous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cous Cous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 21:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason why America</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason why America</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/01/12/the-first-week-of-antiwar-radio-plus-a-couple-from-early-december/comment-page-1/#comment-17091</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mace

You mean &quot;All Hail The Puppet&quot;.  This guy is nothing but a frontman for those who rule from the shadows. If GW really decided to do something on his own, he would be out of office or just like Saddam or Slobo. 

He is just following orders and making deals, just like ole Great-Grandpa and Grandpa did during their wartime experiences. 

Do you really think a guy like him could become president on his own?  Just listen to those speeches and public exchanges.  As one of my heroes, Moe Howard of the 3 Stooges once said,  &quot;Whatta brain.....belongs up there on the meat rack!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mace</p>
<p>You mean &#8220;All Hail The Puppet&#8221;.  This guy is nothing but a frontman for those who rule from the shadows. If GW really decided to do something on his own, he would be out of office or just like Saddam or Slobo. </p>
<p>He is just following orders and making deals, just like ole Great-Grandpa and Grandpa did during their wartime experiences. </p>
<p>Do you really think a guy like him could become president on his own?  Just listen to those speeches and public exchanges.  As one of my heroes, Moe Howard of the 3 Stooges once said,  &#8220;Whatta brain&#8230;..belongs up there on the meat rack!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/01/12/the-first-week-of-antiwar-radio-plus-a-couple-from-early-december/comment-page-1/#comment-17082</link>
		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...PTRD: You will see reinstatement of conscription, but I promise you it will do little if anything to rally a Political reaction against the present US Foreign Policy in the Middle east...You are, in reading the comments here at STRESS in effect looking at the Anti-war movement such as it exists...far more digitally demonstrable than physically...That and once again, for the 34th time: Do not look to the Democratic Party&#039;s thin control of Congress and The Senate to conclude this war by Constitutional means. Because bombast and heated rhetoric notwithstanding, they have not the slightest intention of doing so. the US will continue to occupy the Middle East just as it still occupies its former adversaries from WW II...Not to mention the pending strike on Iranian Nuclear facilities that now would seem to be scheduled for sooner than later. To wit: The Decider has now added The Educator to his self proclaimed titles. He will edify us all with his brilliance post attack---All Hail The Decider!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;PTRD: You will see reinstatement of conscription, but I promise you it will do little if anything to rally a Political reaction against the present US Foreign Policy in the Middle east&#8230;You are, in reading the comments here at STRESS in effect looking at the Anti-war movement such as it exists&#8230;far more digitally demonstrable than physically&#8230;That and once again, for the 34th time: Do not look to the Democratic Party&#8217;s thin control of Congress and The Senate to conclude this war by Constitutional means. Because bombast and heated rhetoric notwithstanding, they have not the slightest intention of doing so. the US will continue to occupy the Middle East just as it still occupies its former adversaries from WW II&#8230;Not to mention the pending strike on Iranian Nuclear facilities that now would seem to be scheduled for sooner than later. To wit: The Decider has now added The Educator to his self proclaimed titles. He will edify us all with his brilliance post attack&#8212;All Hail The Decider!</p>
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		<title>By: PTRD</title>
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		<dc:creator>PTRD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hope the neocons and stupid enough to being back the draft. That was the rally point for the Vietnam era protests and any attempt to bring the draft back today will be met with the same responce-if not stronger. Gen-X is in no mood to fight the Baby Boomer&#039;s and &quot;Greatest Generation&quot;&#039;s wars since the troubles (Loss of Jobs, Inflation, loss of rights, ect.) that plague the USA today are all their fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hope the neocons and stupid enough to being back the draft. That was the rally point for the Vietnam era protests and any attempt to bring the draft back today will be met with the same responce-if not stronger. Gen-X is in no mood to fight the Baby Boomer&#8217;s and &#8220;Greatest Generation&#8221;&#8217;s wars since the troubles (Loss of Jobs, Inflation, loss of rights, ect.) that plague the USA today are all their fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...or Hezbollah impersonators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;or Hezbollah impersonators.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/01/12/the-first-week-of-antiwar-radio-plus-a-couple-from-early-december/comment-page-1/#comment-16554</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 14:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they&#039;ll use a fake gulf of Tonkin attack against U.S. ships rather than another attack here. I would expect that any new attacks would come from Hezbollah after striking Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they&#8217;ll use a fake gulf of Tonkin attack against U.S. ships rather than another attack here. I would expect that any new attacks would come from Hezbollah after striking Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/01/12/the-first-week-of-antiwar-radio-plus-a-couple-from-early-december/comment-page-1/#comment-16549</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda strange how they always seem to foresee an attack when they want something...like invading Iran.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16609997/site/newsweek/

I think this is accurate as to where we are now: 

THE BIG EVENT: A Pearl Harbor event is arranged or allowed to happen (9/11).

THE PRETEXT: A pretext for setting up a beach-head in the Mideast is now in place by invading Iraq.

THE BIG STALL: Stall tactics for withdrawal in Iraq allow us to set the stage for us to invade Iran and/or Syria to escalate the war. No intention of ever leaving which is why we build permanent bases.

THE DRAFT: We need more cannon-fodder as our defenses have been deleted in Iraq. Destruction of a generation of our finest young men and women. Another unstated reason for &quot;open borders&quot;? 

THE FUTURE: Economic devastation, loss of liberty, conveniently placed terror threats, total govenment control. 

Did I miss anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinda strange how they always seem to foresee an attack when they want something&#8230;like invading Iran.<br />
<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16609997/site/newsweek/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16609997/site/newsweek/</a></p>
<p>I think this is accurate as to where we are now: </p>
<p>THE BIG EVENT: A Pearl Harbor event is arranged or allowed to happen (9/11).</p>
<p>THE PRETEXT: A pretext for setting up a beach-head in the Mideast is now in place by invading Iraq.</p>
<p>THE BIG STALL: Stall tactics for withdrawal in Iraq allow us to set the stage for us to invade Iran and/or Syria to escalate the war. No intention of ever leaving which is why we build permanent bases.</p>
<p>THE DRAFT: We need more cannon-fodder as our defenses have been deleted in Iraq. Destruction of a generation of our finest young men and women. Another unstated reason for &#8220;open borders&#8221;? </p>
<p>THE FUTURE: Economic devastation, loss of liberty, conveniently placed terror threats, total govenment control. </p>
<p>Did I miss anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 01:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blame Madison.</description>
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		<title>By: rimone</title>
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		<dc:creator>rimone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 20:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>President Bush, facing opposition from both parties over his plan to send more troops to Iraq, said he has the authority to act no matter what Congress wants.  &quot;I fully understand they could try to stop me from doing it. But I&#039;ve made my decision. And we&#039;re going forward,&quot; Bush told CBS&#039; &quot;60 Minutes&quot; in an interview to air Sunday night.

Swastika anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>President Bush, facing opposition from both parties over his plan to send more troops to Iraq, said he has the authority to act no matter what Congress wants.  &#8220;I fully understand they could try to stop me from doing it. But I&#8217;ve made my decision. And we&#8217;re going forward,&#8221; Bush told CBS&#8217; &#8220;60 Minutes&#8221; in an interview to air Sunday night.</p>
<p>Swastika anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadr wants a strong national government to exterminate Sunnis with.

Badr (SCIRI) wants to &quot;cleanse&quot; Baghgdad of Sunnis and then leave them to create their own mini-state in alliance with Iran. They&#039;ll settle for the kind of federalism where the Sunni get nothing and have no power over Shia and the Shia still have power over them.

Da&#039;wa - Jaafari and Maliki&#039;s party - has little real power because they rely on the armies of Sadr and Badr. (Bush is now trying to get Da&#039;wa and Badr to finish Sadr - good luck with that.)

The Sunni - Ba&#039;athist and local religious types want a strong central government so that they can steal all the oil wealth from the Kurds and Shia - if they fail to acheive this goal they are completely screwed and dependent on the kindness of the Saudis and Egyptians. That is why they fight.

Bush is right that Zarqawi and the foreign jihadists want(ed in Zarqawi&#039;s case) to exacerbate the sectarian differences because a multi-ethnic state at peace is no kind of training and recruiting ground for a new generation of crazies, which is what they want: to repeat the success of the 1980&#039;s in Afghanistan. He&#039;s wrong to place all the blame on them for the success of their plan. The neocons have wished to &quot;expedite the chaotic collapse&quot; in Iraq for quite some time and the process for creating the new state guaranteed more strife. Again Bush and bin Laden have the same goals for different reasons.

The Kurdish factions are split and basically biding their time to see whether to secede or not. If they do, they will have to go to war with the Sunni Arabs (Most Kurds are Sunni too) for the same reasons listed above for the Sunni Arabs&#039; war against the Shia. Also, Turkey, Iran and Syria may have to deal with secessionist Kurds in their states as well.

More than a hundred Iraqis are killed in sectarian violence in Iraq every day. The world&#039;s papers are full of the men involved explaining their motivations. Fisk himself, since that piece last spring, has written quite a bit about the ethnic cleansing taking place all over the country.

It ain&#039;t quite Blue versus Grey, but then America&#039;s wasn&#039;t really a civil war anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadr wants a strong national government to exterminate Sunnis with.</p>
<p>Badr (SCIRI) wants to &#8220;cleanse&#8221; Baghgdad of Sunnis and then leave them to create their own mini-state in alliance with Iran. They&#8217;ll settle for the kind of federalism where the Sunni get nothing and have no power over Shia and the Shia still have power over them.</p>
<p>Da&#8217;wa &#8211; Jaafari and Maliki&#8217;s party &#8211; has little real power because they rely on the armies of Sadr and Badr. (Bush is now trying to get Da&#8217;wa and Badr to finish Sadr &#8211; good luck with that.)</p>
<p>The Sunni &#8211; Ba&#8217;athist and local religious types want a strong central government so that they can steal all the oil wealth from the Kurds and Shia &#8211; if they fail to acheive this goal they are completely screwed and dependent on the kindness of the Saudis and Egyptians. That is why they fight.</p>
<p>Bush is right that Zarqawi and the foreign jihadists want(ed in Zarqawi&#8217;s case) to exacerbate the sectarian differences because a multi-ethnic state at peace is no kind of training and recruiting ground for a new generation of crazies, which is what they want: to repeat the success of the 1980&#8217;s in Afghanistan. He&#8217;s wrong to place all the blame on them for the success of their plan. The neocons have wished to &#8220;expedite the chaotic collapse&#8221; in Iraq for quite some time and the process for creating the new state guaranteed more strife. Again Bush and bin Laden have the same goals for different reasons.</p>
<p>The Kurdish factions are split and basically biding their time to see whether to secede or not. If they do, they will have to go to war with the Sunni Arabs (Most Kurds are Sunni too) for the same reasons listed above for the Sunni Arabs&#8217; war against the Shia. Also, Turkey, Iran and Syria may have to deal with secessionist Kurds in their states as well.</p>
<p>More than a hundred Iraqis are killed in sectarian violence in Iraq every day. The world&#8217;s papers are full of the men involved explaining their motivations. Fisk himself, since that piece last spring, has written quite a bit about the ethnic cleansing taking place all over the country.</p>
<p>It ain&#8217;t quite Blue versus Grey, but then America&#8217;s wasn&#8217;t really a civil war anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: mudshark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mudshark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to remember an oath I undertook to join the armed forces many years ago. I raised my right hand and swore to </description>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I am against abortion. However, the discussion really doesn&#039;t matter and will be decided for us anyway, if we do not regain control of our media and our government. 

The topic itself is a disingenuous circular Micro-political argument that is used to distract us from Macro issues such as Constitutional issues and unnecessary warfare.  Sort of like going on TV and talking about a &quot;troop surge in Iraq&quot; while planning to provoke an attack Iran?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I am against abortion. However, the discussion really doesn&#8217;t matter and will be decided for us anyway, if we do not regain control of our media and our government. </p>
<p>The topic itself is a disingenuous circular Micro-political argument that is used to distract us from Macro issues such as Constitutional issues and unnecessary warfare.  Sort of like going on TV and talking about a &#8220;troop surge in Iraq&#8221; while planning to provoke an attack Iran?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah and the Fisk thing too.</description>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve: The court finally recognized a right that all women have possessed - and exercised - since the beginning of humanity. What do want, for cops to have More things to do? The degeneracy of your least favorite communists has nothing to do with it. Outlaw trade in abortion services and all you do is create a black market. Hate abortion? Talk someone out of one. Adopt a kid.

Redrum, I don&#039;t have time, but I&#039;ll try to remember to address natural rights my way on the kaos report Tuesday.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve: The court finally recognized a right that all women have possessed &#8211; and exercised &#8211; since the beginning of humanity. What do want, for cops to have More things to do? The degeneracy of your least favorite communists has nothing to do with it. Outlaw trade in abortion services and all you do is create a black market. Hate abortion? Talk someone out of one. Adopt a kid.</p>
<p>Redrum, I don&#8217;t have time, but I&#8217;ll try to remember to address natural rights my way on the kaos report Tuesday.</p>
<p>The worst thing about abortion: discussion of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Redrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abortion..I used to be pro-choice, now I don&#039;t know what I am. I have been thinking about this quite a bit... I think if we are going to group human beings together and grant them  rights, we have to ask, why? Because they own their body? Well, so do animals.... they control their own bodies,  should they have rights? 

I believe rights are a bit more complicated then that.

I don&#039;t buy the state of equality in nature either-- we aren&#039;t all equal in nature. But... I do believe we should all be equal before the law, by this I mean, subjected to the same law. Because of mans nature we need a social contract, or we come to this inevitable conclusion. The thing about limited government, is, it is the closest thing to a moral form of government, moral presupposes choice, and in a limited government one is free to choose to be moral, and in coming to the social contract, one grants others the freedom to be moral as long as they grant him the same. The only real compulsions (besides the ones nature pushes on us) is to leave other free to be moral. (As a side note, does this mean a religous person isn&#039;t really moral because they fear the rath of a god?) 

I think, that our rights are derived from our nature as human beings and it&#039;s relation to reality. What we are, what a human being is. One could say it is because man is a rational creature, a value choosing entity, a conceptual being... and I would agree, this is what makes us different, and this is emperical.

I often wonder what the heck it is that gives us what we call &quot;free willl&quot;. Is it because we are conceptual, able to form words and numbers, and with this, the words, for instance, able to basically turn back and act on our own mind? Like a computer, maybe we add to our programming.... and complete our genetics? One could say animals are value &quot;choosing&quot; entities, but I don&#039;t know if that is true. Do they really choose, or is their thinking limited to a very narrow context guided by their genetics? There is something very different about humans, when was the last time you saw an animal commit suicide or starve itself for a higher cause, or resist the tempation of sex, or have sex for pleasure, or have sex facing each other, or create art? It seems that we are the part of the universe that is self-aware, and in being so, we know about the the fundamental difference between life and death, and what this entails. This rational facualty that allows us to be &quot;self aware&quot;, also allows us to chart a direction for ourself in a very long range fashion that is unlike anything in the universe. Strangely, we seem to be an entity that is making decisions or choices in a void. We are able to create meaning, and we need this meaning or all our decisions are in vain and we realize this void. 

Now, if I was only going to say that the rational creature is able to claim rights, what about those who&#039;s rational faculty does not work properly, like the mentally handicapped? 

I think if the mentally handicapped have rights, (and I think they do) you must also give it to the fetus, the potential for the human creature is there. So I can group these all together, and say as Aristotle says, that they are true for the most part. I would not say that because a few go through the red light, that it invalidates the purpose of the green. I would not say, that something that has been shown to sustain human life on a high statistical level, would be invalidated by the few ones that it does not sustain.

By the way, as for my religous pick near the beginning, as I am getting older, I am finding that most religous people are usually nicer and happier to be around then the unreligious. I also don&#039;t find religion to be irrational, nor do I find it rational though. So if it&#039;s the rath of god in their hearts, or it&#039;s the realization of limits of ones reason, so be it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abortion..I used to be pro-choice, now I don&#8217;t know what I am. I have been thinking about this quite a bit&#8230; I think if we are going to group human beings together and grant them  rights, we have to ask, why? Because they own their body? Well, so do animals&#8230;. they control their own bodies,  should they have rights? </p>
<p>I believe rights are a bit more complicated then that.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy the state of equality in nature either&#8211; we aren&#8217;t all equal in nature. But&#8230; I do believe we should all be equal before the law, by this I mean, subjected to the same law. Because of mans nature we need a social contract, or we come to this inevitable conclusion. The thing about limited government, is, it is the closest thing to a moral form of government, moral presupposes choice, and in a limited government one is free to choose to be moral, and in coming to the social contract, one grants others the freedom to be moral as long as they grant him the same. The only real compulsions (besides the ones nature pushes on us) is to leave other free to be moral. (As a side note, does this mean a religous person isn&#8217;t really moral because they fear the rath of a god?) </p>
<p>I think, that our rights are derived from our nature as human beings and it&#8217;s relation to reality. What we are, what a human being is. One could say it is because man is a rational creature, a value choosing entity, a conceptual being&#8230; and I would agree, this is what makes us different, and this is emperical.</p>
<p>I often wonder what the heck it is that gives us what we call &#8220;free willl&#8221;. Is it because we are conceptual, able to form words and numbers, and with this, the words, for instance, able to basically turn back and act on our own mind? Like a computer, maybe we add to our programming&#8230;. and complete our genetics? One could say animals are value &#8220;choosing&#8221; entities, but I don&#8217;t know if that is true. Do they really choose, or is their thinking limited to a very narrow context guided by their genetics? There is something very different about humans, when was the last time you saw an animal commit suicide or starve itself for a higher cause, or resist the tempation of sex, or have sex for pleasure, or have sex facing each other, or create art? It seems that we are the part of the universe that is self-aware, and in being so, we know about the the fundamental difference between life and death, and what this entails. This rational facualty that allows us to be &#8220;self aware&#8221;, also allows us to chart a direction for ourself in a very long range fashion that is unlike anything in the universe. Strangely, we seem to be an entity that is making decisions or choices in a void. We are able to create meaning, and we need this meaning or all our decisions are in vain and we realize this void. </p>
<p>Now, if I was only going to say that the rational creature is able to claim rights, what about those who&#8217;s rational faculty does not work properly, like the mentally handicapped? </p>
<p>I think if the mentally handicapped have rights, (and I think they do) you must also give it to the fetus, the potential for the human creature is there. So I can group these all together, and say as Aristotle says, that they are true for the most part. I would not say that because a few go through the red light, that it invalidates the purpose of the green. I would not say, that something that has been shown to sustain human life on a high statistical level, would be invalidated by the few ones that it does not sustain.</p>
<p>By the way, as for my religous pick near the beginning, as I am getting older, I am finding that most religous people are usually nicer and happier to be around then the unreligious. I also don&#8217;t find religion to be irrational, nor do I find it rational though. So if it&#8217;s the rath of god in their hearts, or it&#8217;s the realization of limits of ones reason, so be it.</p>
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		<title>By: Redrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that Robert Fisk and Hesham Tillawi both say that the civil war card in Iraq was, maybe not anymore... misleading. They don&#039;t think there was any sort of fighting between Sunni/Shia anymore then there is fighting going on between Catholic/Protestent. They think it is being purposely provoked. It&#039;s interesting none the less, if this is what the neo-cons wanted, as I think it is... why? Maybe to give Israel more legitimacy in the area by seperating groups into racial/religous identities...

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12137.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that Robert Fisk and Hesham Tillawi both say that the civil war card in Iraq was, maybe not anymore&#8230; misleading. They don&#8217;t think there was any sort of fighting between Sunni/Shia anymore then there is fighting going on between Catholic/Protestent. They think it is being purposely provoked. It&#8217;s interesting none the less, if this is what the neo-cons wanted, as I think it is&#8230; why? Maybe to give Israel more legitimacy in the area by seperating groups into racial/religous identities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jan 2007 05:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently the Supreme Court didn&#039;t &quot;discover&quot; (invent) abortion as being in the Bill of Rights until Roe (1973 I think - handed down the same day LBJ croaked). 

Ya mean all those Supreme Court Justices were negligent from 1789 to 1973 until Harry Blackmun &amp; Co. discovered abortion in the Bill of Rights. 

I do believe in sovereignty of adult individuals to make decisions regarding all areas that do not have a direct effect on others. I oppose drug prohibition as well as prohibition of prostitution. Clearly aborting is having a direct effect on the other party. Linguistically abort is a verb. If someone is having an abortion it follows (as a logical corallary) that someone then is being aborted (ie death of the fetus) which disqualifies it as being an act of autonomy (unlike prostitution and drug use). 

Pro - choicers frequently invoke that a woman is soverign over her own body. I don&#039;t disagree - but seen abortion as outside of this issue - however I do think a woman being sovereign would include her right to sell (or rent) it. Can you name a single NOW or NARAL leader who has ever said &quot;while I don&#039;t endorse prostitution I certainly think it is within the right of each woman to decide for herself whether to rent her body and not mine or the states busines........ No - they don&#039;t. Because they are a bunch of liars and hypocrites. 

Its a digression, but one of there great heroes, Margaret Sanger, loved abortion and eugenics - but only for minorities. I think there is a closet racism behind much of this. But who do we have on my side.....a bunch of crazy dispensationalist bible thumpers who blow their loads over killing Arabs?  Damn that sucks.    Oh well, at least I have Ron Paul, Nat Hentoff, and Andrew Neopolitano.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently the Supreme Court didn&#8217;t &#8220;discover&#8221; (invent) abortion as being in the Bill of Rights until Roe (1973 I think &#8211; handed down the same day LBJ croaked). </p>
<p>Ya mean all those Supreme Court Justices were negligent from 1789 to 1973 until Harry Blackmun &amp; Co. discovered abortion in the Bill of Rights. </p>
<p>I do believe in sovereignty of adult individuals to make decisions regarding all areas that do not have a direct effect on others. I oppose drug prohibition as well as prohibition of prostitution. Clearly aborting is having a direct effect on the other party. Linguistically abort is a verb. If someone is having an abortion it follows (as a logical corallary) that someone then is being aborted (ie death of the fetus) which disqualifies it as being an act of autonomy (unlike prostitution and drug use). </p>
<p>Pro &#8211; choicers frequently invoke that a woman is soverign over her own body. I don&#8217;t disagree &#8211; but seen abortion as outside of this issue &#8211; however I do think a woman being sovereign would include her right to sell (or rent) it. Can you name a single NOW or NARAL leader who has ever said &#8220;while I don&#8217;t endorse prostitution I certainly think it is within the right of each woman to decide for herself whether to rent her body and not mine or the states busines&#8230;&#8230;.. No &#8211; they don&#8217;t. Because they are a bunch of liars and hypocrites. </p>
<p>Its a digression, but one of there great heroes, Margaret Sanger, loved abortion and eugenics &#8211; but only for minorities. I think there is a closet racism behind much of this. But who do we have on my side&#8230;..a bunch of crazy dispensationalist bible thumpers who blow their loads over killing Arabs?  Damn that sucks.    Oh well, at least I have Ron Paul, Nat Hentoff, and Andrew Neopolitano.</p>
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