Yup, invade a country for bogus reasons, blow up most of its infrastructure, kill & torture a lot of their people and then expect them to listen to you when you tell them that you are going to “help” them… Definitely a “McFly” moment… hellooo Bush, anybody home?

And of course there is the closing comment by the Bushco partisan: “this is not something we will achieve overnight…” How about never?

Felipe II had a plan to stop the Dutch revolts and return England to Catholicism. The Spanish Armada didn’t end well. The Czars were naming their kids Constantine in the 18th century because they planned for them to be ruling from Constantinople someday. They never did. The neocons are just another signpost on the unending journey of human stupidity. They won’t be the last but they might be the dumbest.

Rumple – Because they want to attack Iran, not Saudi Arabia.

They made so many idiotic and patently insane predictions that the label “neoconservative” is met with ridicule or obscenities from just about everyone who is politically sentient. They didn’t want to make their ideology into an international laughingstock.

Here’s Seymour Hersh from 2004: The Saban Center’s Flynt Leverett said of the transfer of sovereignty, “If it doesn’t work, there is no fallback—nothing.” The former senior American intelligence official told me, similarly, that “the neocons still think they can pull the rabbit out of the hat” in Iraq. “What’s the plan? They say, ‘We don’t need it. Democracy is strong enough. We’ll work it out.’ ”

http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/040628fa_fact?fact/040628fa_fact

They didn’t intend for their dreams to become nightmares. They’re just a bunch of dolts with access to power.

Even if the philanthropists went out incognito to distribute explosives to the needy, and we all know charity is best done in disguise with high explosives, there are a few things that need to be remembered.

There weren’t daily massacres in Iraq before the invasion and none of the neighboring brown people are butchering each other like that either. This violence is being used as an excuse to stay by Pharaoh and statist buffoons like Juan Cole. Despite the reprehensibly stupid propaganda (“Them desert darkies are savages who won’t stop killing each other, so we have to stay and keep killing them until they stop shooting at us killing each other.”), the crusades have been the cause of the violence and are certainly not the solution to it. They must end.

Faced with a guerrilla war the Americans have tried to “divide and conquer”, they just haven’t been very good at it.

i’m not so sure. i think cole and i discussed it right after it happened and i think it had been blown out of proportion.

Once they realized the guerrilla war wasn’t going to end they tried to get the locals fighting each other. While there has certainly been more violence, the guerrilla war has also intensified which clearly doesn’t help them. They did get a propaganda victory out of it, since they can now claim they’re peacekeepers in an Iraqi ‘civil war’ (which the state controlled media very suspiciously began trumpeting in 2003) instead of stuck in a hopeless guerrilla war.

On a related note: Robert Fisk wrote about an Iraqi policeman claiming to have been used as an unwitting suicide bomber. He was given a car & a cellphone and was told to drive somewhere and report on something. When he arrived, the phone wasn’t working so he got out of the car and walked until he got a signal. When he called in to report he was on site, the car blew up.

The “evidence” presented to the world for Iran’s involvement shows weapons marked in ENGLISH with western dates… http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6353025.stm (look at picture 6).

Now, in Iran, the year is not 2007 (ie 2007 years after the birth of christ) but 1385 as determined by the Persian Calendar. Why would Islamic radicals, willing to arm Iraqis against America, use America’s language and calendar?

Seem manufactured to me.

Fast forward: Iranian parts are found in Iraqi bombs. If one follows Bushlogic this automatically means that Tehran is “supplying” bombs to the insurgents. Has it not dawned on any of our media super sleuths that the CIA is buying the parts on the black market and selling them to the insurgents so as to create another bogus reason for war? To his credit, Gen. Pace is dropping a hint when he says that he cannot be sure that the Iranian govt. is complicit. Remember those mobile chem. labs that Colon Powell swore Saddam had? Fool me twice and shame on…

People need to wake up and realize that in Bushco they are dealing with some of the most ruthless and underhanded characters to come upon the American scene in a long time. They have already approved the use of torture, unwarranted abduction and sanctioned killing to achieve their goals. Why not plant some Iranian bomb parts in Iraqi IED’s to make a case for your next war?

then it should come as no shock they’ve been and continue operating by the same method within and without Iran

how nice of them to print on their munitions in english so we don’t have to translate, huh?

Of course, as this is a sloppy neocon ruse, as per usual, there is a problem here. Can you guess what it is?

If you guessed the date, you win a Cupie doll. For some reason the geniuses at the Pentagon have failed to explain why the Iranians used a date from the Christian Gregorian calendar and not one from the Islamic Persian calendar. According to the Muslim calendar, the date stenciled on this mortar shell should read 1427, not 2006. And why did Iran, a country speaking and writing in Persian, a language written in a version of the Arabic script, decide to label their shells in English? Maybe they thought it would fool the infidels?

Upon returning to Europe, one of our Special Forces members wrote to his father, who was then the Army Chief of Staff at the Pentagon describing the training and the countries visited. His father, General Goodpaster took this letter to the next meeting of the Joint Chief’s of Staff and stated: “I didn’t know we had our forces in these countries!”

Three days later a letter arrived at the 10th Special Forces Group Headquarters in Bad Toelz, Germany from SOTFE,
Special Operations Task Force Europe, the Central Intelligence Agency Headquarters in Frankfurt, Germany, directing the Commanding Officer of the 10th SF to order Billy Goodpasture not to write any more letters to his father about Special Forces Operations in Europe, North Africa or the Middle East.

This same scenario was repeated during the Vietnam War.

Are we supposed to be surprised when things go wrong in the Middle East today for our transgressions of years ago? Who’s in charge, anyway?

From Jonathan Schwarz:

“U.S. Says…United States intelligence asserts…reflects broad agreement among American intelligence agencies…civilian and military officials from a broad range of government agencies provided…military officials say…The officials said…The assessment was described in interviews over the past several weeks with American officials…Administration officials said…according to the intelligence…According to American intelligence…Some American intelligence experts believe…they assert…notes a still-classified American intelligence report…a senior administration official said…according to Western officials…Officials said…An American intelligence assessment described to The New York Times said…Other officials believe…American military officers say…American officials say…According to American intelligence agencies…Assessments by American intelligence agencies say…Marine officials say…American intelligence agencies are concerned…Gen. Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said last week.”