…You forgot to add to your many and diverse accomplishments that you’re not only full of shit up to your nostrils—But that you’re also a sanctimonious, pontificating and worse, a very persistent pain in the ass…Like I said, go read Bukowski’s “Notes on the Pest.” Or better yet, go meditate in middle of the Freeway.
To: Mace…………..How would you like your comments read? The EXOTERIC meaning is clear enough. But I have no idea of the ESOTERIC one………Perhaps we should read the entire MACE PRICE – WHIG thread as a sort of Dialectic (in the Hegelian model). If so, what the hell is the synthesis……I’ve read a little Derrida (Deconstructing the Text) but I have no idea how to read Bukowski this way. I suspect if Bukowski knew his text was being “deconstructed” he probably think the “Deconstructor” was half a fag….Which might actually be helpful sence general outrage was probably his greatest muse….BTW, do you think that since I cannot determine the ESOTERIC meaning of your text means that I am not worthy to receive its full (and hidden) meaning and only an “Elect Few” [Scott Horton, perhaps] understand your deeper (cryptic) meaning which is unavailable to the Great Unwashed?
How did the existence of habeas corpus prevent the government from violating habeas corpus? Regardless of what is written on the wall of the barn, Napoleon can send Boxer to the glue factory whenever he feels like it. Voting for Snowball won’t change this.
That’s why I’m opposed to the existence of the State. Rules to limit its behavior are immaterial, since it doesn’t obey them anyway.
All you folks seem to do is bash everyone that’s trying to oppose the administration, which winds up helping the administration, and you get what you wanted if that’s what you ask for.
Why haven’t I been “bashed” for opposing the government? The problem you’re having is that you want us to support a gang that is indistinguishable from the other gang, but are unable to provide any coherent reason to do so.
…I, am no esoteric…and for that matter I do not not consider my self an intellectual. And as far as Bukowski and esotericism and deconconstruction go? Both terms and his name are mutually opposed. As for me? I emanate from the American profanum vulgus, ignoble vulgus, mobile vulgus. And as such, the 40 year view of this Social, Political, Economic and Cultural Hierarchy’s operation from the bottom up has provided me with any number of ugly convictions…I’ve learned Intellectuals have two things in common. First, more often than not they’re Homosexuals and Lesbians. Second, they are—like this pompous Leftist of a condescending ass who calls himself “Whig”—Ineffectual to any practical purpose outside a Upper level University or a Coffee House…Generally speaking the upper classes, our masters, are composed of very hard women and very soft men. As cryptic and duplicitous in pronouncements of their altruism, as they are exclusive, depraved, demanding and void in reality…There Steve, that should settle your Exoteric-Esoteric dilemma with me…I’m an Okie. Okies don’t mince words…Maybe this Whig can incorporate himself into Brad and Angelina’s entourage…Wear a fat suit and play Gertrude Stein there, but not here…Bottom line, this from Shakespeare’s Hamlet: “How absolute the knave is! We must speak by the card or equivocation will undo us!”
if you are interested in answers ask me questions.
I don’t think so, not interested in fishing expeditions for some football team.
All you folks seem to do is bash everyone that’s trying to oppose the administration, which winds up helping the administration, and you get what you wanted if that’s what you ask for.
if you’ve been a “conservative, a libertarian, an anarchist” as you say, then you would know that our current political system is a scam and fawning over which ‘career politician’ (sic) is going to be the next supposed savior of ‘Our Democracy’ (sic) is delusive. fact is, the bastards with all the money, have, and control all the political power and just about everthing else. none of them are giving that up anytime soon and until there are some drastic changes in that spectrum, it doesn’t matter who you think you’re going to elect to anywhere, they will follow the money because that’s what put them there, just like the obedient little pets that they are. if you wanna wear yourself out on their obstacle course, go freakin’ nuts, mann. Homey don’t play ‘dat.
yeah, I’ve been there, too, it’s a brownfield all the way down to the slate. so what kinda’ reconstruction do you have in mind?
…That, and I for one am getting sick of your incessant, arrogant, patronizing Captain Kirk shit. Aside from some sophomoric Political ambition, what in the unholy hell would cause you to indulge yourself in this elaborate, transparent pretense that you have any fuckin’ thing whatsoever in common with me, and as many like me—You do not—You never have and you never will—The realities of our class differences are permanent and irreconcilable—Our experiences are opposed—Your high flown attempts at persuasion are to my mind as insulting as they are fraudulent…I dislike such demands, and people, intensely. To be understood? Is to be found out.
…Then when in the fuck is this “Whig” clown going to wander out?…Past that—Did you see the Prince of Darkness Perle and “No Retreat, No Surrender” Delay on Meet the Press yesterday Phil?—They were truly revolting. Worse, Russert let ‘em get away with murder. Blatant mendacity; it was one of the most revolting spectacles as subversion of discourse I’ve ever been given to observe.
…They really are getting away with murder too. The anti-War movement; is a gross failure…not much more than another low turnout Hollywood Photo Op featuring Tim Robbins this trip…Worse than that I can’t stand Tim Robbins. Trust me on this business of evaluating failure. When it comes to failure? I’m an expert with years of experience.
When are some of these “patriots” like Perle going to enlist or send their families to the front lines?? I think we should all take up a collection for their airfares so they can fly first-class like they are accustomed.
You’ve repeatedly announced your support for a warmonger. That is why you are ‘bashed’ here.
Phil – The article spent as much time complaining about a lack of equipment as a lack of bodies. I think they’re just trying to ensure their budget gets increased.
…Perle et al consider themselves far, far, far above such shit, grief, death, gore mayhem and horror as they have wrought. Accordingly we are but livestock to them in the greater scheme of things…Down through History Wars have always perpetrated by such cynical self serving and venal men, and in so doing the innocent are the first to suffer and die, while the guilty are the very last, if they suffer and die at all…I don’t believe in God, but God willing, he and others equally as culpable will be prosecuted for War Crimes one day. At my age I’d cut an arm off to see them all in a white cell 23 hours a day…Tragically, this is highly unlikely. Just the opposite in fact. You will observe Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize…Go figure.
Re: Mace Price
Witty banter. Liked how it effectively repulsed Whig, at least for the time being. Trenchant commentary on intellectuals as well. Yes, intellectual often equals ineffectual. That, plus a willing disbelief that the left can inflict hardship on others also points to either their political naivety or their desire to use the left as merely a medium to gain power. As for the ongoing Whig-Mace (I don’t mean to be rude, but is that your real name, I mean, you didn’t have twisted hippy parents who named you after a pepper spray or an antiquarian weapon for some strange reason, did you?) cyber squabble, it’s been most entertaining. My psychic abilities are hardly refined, but I have a notion of Whig residing in the Bay Area or a university town and Price somewhere in the South East. Both unmarried, Whig younger than Price, both own animals….forgive me, tendency to prattle.
J.H.
Here is a picture.
They do not have power to repeal habeas corpus if and only if we do not allow them.
Logic 101.
…You forgot to add to your many and diverse accomplishments that you’re not only full of shit up to your nostrils—But that you’re also a sanctimonious, pontificating and worse, a very persistent pain in the ass…Like I said, go read Bukowski’s “Notes on the Pest.” Or better yet, go meditate in middle of the Freeway.
To: Mace…………..How would you like your comments read? The EXOTERIC meaning is clear enough. But I have no idea of the ESOTERIC one………Perhaps we should read the entire MACE PRICE – WHIG thread as a sort of Dialectic (in the Hegelian model). If so, what the hell is the synthesis……I’ve read a little Derrida (Deconstructing the Text) but I have no idea how to read Bukowski this way. I suspect if Bukowski knew his text was being “deconstructed” he probably think the “Deconstructor” was half a fag….Which might actually be helpful sence general outrage was probably his greatest muse….BTW, do you think that since I cannot determine the ESOTERIC meaning of your text means that I am not worthy to receive its full (and hidden) meaning and only an “Elect Few” [Scott Horton, perhaps] understand your deeper (cryptic) meaning which is unavailable to the Great Unwashed?
How did the existence of habeas corpus prevent the government from violating habeas corpus? Regardless of what is written on the wall of the barn, Napoleon can send Boxer to the glue factory whenever he feels like it. Voting for Snowball won’t change this.
That’s why I’m opposed to the existence of the State. Rules to limit its behavior are immaterial, since it doesn’t obey them anyway.
Why haven’t I been “bashed” for opposing the government? The problem you’re having is that you want us to support a gang that is indistinguishable from the other gang, but are unable to provide any coherent reason to do so.
This is what is written on the wall: Mene Mene Tekel Upharsin.
Stop acting like I’ve ever once asked for your vote. I never did. You cannot keep arguing with the strawman who is not here.
…I, am no esoteric…and for that matter I do not not consider my self an intellectual. And as far as Bukowski and esotericism and deconconstruction go? Both terms and his name are mutually opposed. As for me? I emanate from the American profanum vulgus, ignoble vulgus, mobile vulgus. And as such, the 40 year view of this Social, Political, Economic and Cultural Hierarchy’s operation from the bottom up has provided me with any number of ugly convictions…I’ve learned Intellectuals have two things in common. First, more often than not they’re Homosexuals and Lesbians. Second, they are—like this pompous Leftist of a condescending ass who calls himself “Whig”—Ineffectual to any practical purpose outside a Upper level University or a Coffee House…Generally speaking the upper classes, our masters, are composed of very hard women and very soft men. As cryptic and duplicitous in pronouncements of their altruism, as they are exclusive, depraved, demanding and void in reality…There Steve, that should settle your Exoteric-Esoteric dilemma with me…I’m an Okie. Okies don’t mince words…Maybe this Whig can incorporate himself into Brad and Angelina’s entourage…Wear a fat suit and play Gertrude Stein there, but not here…Bottom line, this from Shakespeare’s Hamlet: “How absolute the knave is! We must speak by the card or equivocation will undo us!”
if you are interested in answers ask me questions.
I don’t think so, not interested in fishing expeditions for some football team.
All you folks seem to do is bash everyone that’s trying to oppose the administration, which winds up helping the administration, and you get what you wanted if that’s what you ask for.
if you’ve been a “conservative, a libertarian, an anarchist” as you say, then you would know that our current political system is a scam and fawning over which ‘career politician’ (sic) is going to be the next supposed savior of ‘Our Democracy’ (sic) is delusive. fact is, the bastards with all the money, have, and control all the political power and just about everthing else. none of them are giving that up anytime soon and until there are some drastic changes in that spectrum, it doesn’t matter who you think you’re going to elect to anywhere, they will follow the money because that’s what put them there, just like the obedient little pets that they are. if you wanna wear yourself out on their obstacle course, go freakin’ nuts, mann. Homey don’t play ‘dat.
yeah, I’ve been there, too, it’s a brownfield all the way down to the slate. so what kinda’ reconstruction do you have in mind?
…That, and I for one am getting sick of your incessant, arrogant, patronizing Captain Kirk shit. Aside from some sophomoric Political ambition, what in the unholy hell would cause you to indulge yourself in this elaborate, transparent pretense that you have any fuckin’ thing whatsoever in common with me, and as many like me—You do not—You never have and you never will—The realities of our class differences are permanent and irreconcilable—Our experiences are opposed—Your high flown attempts at persuasion are to my mind as insulting as they are fraudulent…I dislike such demands, and people, intensely. To be understood? Is to be found out.
Hey everybody,
The enemy is over there, not in here. Anyone who wanders in here looking for answers, will wander right out looking at the last 30 posts.
Look at this story below. I think this was intentional as a way to weaken us and then find an excuse to impose a draft. Lets talk about this stuff.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/18/AR2007031801534_pf.html
…Then when in the fuck is this “Whig” clown going to wander out?…Past that—Did you see the Prince of Darkness Perle and “No Retreat, No Surrender” Delay on Meet the Press yesterday Phil?—They were truly revolting. Worse, Russert let ‘em get away with murder. Blatant mendacity; it was one of the most revolting spectacles as subversion of discourse I’ve ever been given to observe.
…They really are getting away with murder too. The anti-War movement; is a gross failure…not much more than another low turnout Hollywood Photo Op featuring Tim Robbins this trip…Worse than that I can’t stand Tim Robbins. Trust me on this business of evaluating failure. When it comes to failure? I’m an expert with years of experience.
Mace
When are some of these “patriots” like Perle going to enlist or send their families to the front lines?? I think we should all take up a collection for their airfares so they can fly first-class like they are accustomed.
Mace Price wrote: “When it comes to failure? I’m an expert with years of experience.”
I have nothing more.
You’ve repeatedly announced your support for a warmonger. That is why you are ‘bashed’ here.
Phil – The article spent as much time complaining about a lack of equipment as a lack of bodies. I think they’re just trying to ensure their budget gets increased.
…Perle et al consider themselves far, far, far above such shit, grief, death, gore mayhem and horror as they have wrought. Accordingly we are but livestock to them in the greater scheme of things…Down through History Wars have always perpetrated by such cynical self serving and venal men, and in so doing the innocent are the first to suffer and die, while the guilty are the very last, if they suffer and die at all…I don’t believe in God, but God willing, he and others equally as culpable will be prosecuted for War Crimes one day. At my age I’d cut an arm off to see them all in a white cell 23 hours a day…Tragically, this is highly unlikely. Just the opposite in fact. You will observe Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize…Go figure.
…”I have nothing more.”…Fine, that tickles the living shit out of me. You had nothing to begin with.
Re: Mace Price
Witty banter. Liked how it effectively repulsed Whig, at least for the time being. Trenchant commentary on intellectuals as well. Yes, intellectual often equals ineffectual. That, plus a willing disbelief that the left can inflict hardship on others also points to either their political naivety or their desire to use the left as merely a medium to gain power. As for the ongoing Whig-Mace (I don’t mean to be rude, but is that your real name, I mean, you didn’t have twisted hippy parents who named you after a pepper spray or an antiquarian weapon for some strange reason, did you?) cyber squabble, it’s been most entertaining. My psychic abilities are hardly refined, but I have a notion of Whig residing in the Bay Area or a university town and Price somewhere in the South East. Both unmarried, Whig younger than Price, both own animals….forgive me, tendency to prattle.
J.H.