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	<title>Comments on: Antiwar Radio: Gareth Porter</title>
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		<title>By: I Bell</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/04/27/antiwar-radio-gareth-porter-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30617</link>
		<dc:creator>I Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its pretty simple:

 No government so complicit with the occupier as the current Green Zone Grandees is supported by or acceptable to the majority of Iraqis and will fall as soon as the US stops propping it up. They were voted in on an explicit demand-timetabled-withdrawl mandate which they failed to deliver and betrayed their electorate. Now only US guns and walls protect their sock puppets from the people.

 No &quot;strategy&quot; for Iraq predicated on maintaining the existing Iraq &quot;government&quot; will succeed. It has to fall and given that it has to fall, the sooner it does the better. If there is to be a &quot;sectarian civil war&quot; (the result of the incompetant occupier enforcing an election with explicitly sectarian partisan lines) then the current Iraqui street view seems to be that its best to get that &quot;war&quot; over and done with rather than dragging it out with US supporting one &quot;side&quot;., blowing things up, building walls, and poisoning the land with  DU .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its pretty simple:</p>
<p> No government so complicit with the occupier as the current Green Zone Grandees is supported by or acceptable to the majority of Iraqis and will fall as soon as the US stops propping it up. They were voted in on an explicit demand-timetabled-withdrawl mandate which they failed to deliver and betrayed their electorate. Now only US guns and walls protect their sock puppets from the people.</p>
<p> No &#8220;strategy&#8221; for Iraq predicated on maintaining the existing Iraq &#8220;government&#8221; will succeed. It has to fall and given that it has to fall, the sooner it does the better. If there is to be a &#8220;sectarian civil war&#8221; (the result of the incompetant occupier enforcing an election with explicitly sectarian partisan lines) then the current Iraqui street view seems to be that its best to get that &#8220;war&#8221; over and done with rather than dragging it out with US supporting one &#8220;side&#8221;., blowing things up, building walls, and poisoning the land with  DU .</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds right to me.</description>
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		<title>By: Gregory Purcell</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/04/27/antiwar-radio-gareth-porter-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30612</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Purcell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding of Guerilla war is as follows 

1# A Guerrilla war can only be fought against a colonial power / occupying Empire.  The goal is to cause enough damage the occupier gets tiered and goes home.  The Guerrilla is home.    

#2 A Guerrilla need not win one battle to win the war. 

#3 The worse things get inside the county the more people will blame the occupier.  It does not matter who caused the bombing to happen a foreign occupier will always get the blame and the insurgency will grow. 

F**K the cost of leaving what is the cost of staying</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding of Guerilla war is as follows </p>
<p>1# A Guerrilla war can only be fought against a colonial power / occupying Empire.  The goal is to cause enough damage the occupier gets tiered and goes home.  The Guerrilla is home.    </p>
<p>#2 A Guerrilla need not win one battle to win the war. </p>
<p>#3 The worse things get inside the county the more people will blame the occupier.  It does not matter who caused the bombing to happen a foreign occupier will always get the blame and the insurgency will grow. </p>
<p>F**K the cost of leaving what is the cost of staying</p>
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		<title>By: Mace Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mace Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 02:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Some fuckin&#039; cake walk wasn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Some fuckin&#8217; cake walk wasn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Ron Paul said it best:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=10862/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We Just Marched In (So We Can Just March Out)...&lt;/a&gt;  A short and sweet answer to the mess that is called Iraq.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Ron Paul said it best:  <a href="http://antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=10862/" rel="nofollow">We Just Marched In (So We Can Just March Out)&#8230;</a>  A short and sweet answer to the mess that is called Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://thestressblog.com/2007/04/27/antiwar-radio-gareth-porter-2/comment-page-1/#comment-30602</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we do know what will happen if we leave?

It doesn&#039;t matter whether that discussion was about how we should leave regardless?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we do know what will happen if we leave?</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter whether that discussion was about how we should leave regardless?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to this article, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/26/AR2007042602230_pf.html/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Army Officer Accuses Generals of &#039;Intellectual and Moral Failures&#039;&lt;/a&gt; , there is dissention in the ranks of the US military.  This is quite predictable, given the present set of circumstances in Iraq.
 
First, the US High Command bit at the chance to &quot;strut their stuff&quot; in Iraq.  Our military machine is still geared for and still trains to fight set-piece battles against enemies with similar minded strategies.  I think Saddam had already figured this out before Bush launched the invasion of 2003...  Hence, our forces raced to Baghdad and Bush declared his famous &quot;Mission Accomplished&quot; statement but who or what had our forces actually defeated?
 
The high command drooled over the prospect of easy targets in open country and the opportunity to put on a show of &quot;shock &amp; awe&quot;.  They had little inclination towards considering the possibility that they were being suckered into a protracted guerilla war, as has proven to be the case.  Bush and his approved generals still stick doggedly to their original strategies and it is not too hard to see why the junior officers are disenchanted.
 
Aside from the fact that the initial rationale for the invasion has proven to be bogus and that both the Dems and Reps are still maneuvering to keep US forces in Iraq, indefinitely, we must start looking at the big picture and refrain from being drawn into the jots and tittles of partisanship wrangling over the whys and wherefores of the war.  The &lt;i&gt;reality&lt;/i&gt; of it is that we have idiots in positions of high political office who care little or nothing for the opinion of the American people and that our military high commanded is staffed by people whose mindsets are still focused on the days of Patton and the Horse Calvary...
 
Yapping and tapping about Iraq has become an industry that distracts people from the fact that the whole thing was one of the dumbest ideas that has ever been formulated in the short history of US foreign policy and leaving immediately is the best course of action...  Porter&#039;s claim of &quot;we don&#039;t know what will happen&quot; if we leave immediately is BS...  The fact that we invaded with no set plan and that we are still there with no clear goal in sight shows that we still haven&#039;t got a clue about what we are doing there and continually talking about the &quot;what if&quot; of the situation will solve absolutely nothing.  Bottom line: a poopload of people have been killed, maimed and displaced from their homes for nothing and we are still arguing about the details.  That is exactly what the people who perpetrated this mess want...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to this article, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/26/AR2007042602230_pf.html/" rel="nofollow">Army Officer Accuses Generals of &#8216;Intellectual and Moral Failures&#8217;</a> , there is dissention in the ranks of the US military.  This is quite predictable, given the present set of circumstances in Iraq.</p>
<p>First, the US High Command bit at the chance to &#8220;strut their stuff&#8221; in Iraq.  Our military machine is still geared for and still trains to fight set-piece battles against enemies with similar minded strategies.  I think Saddam had already figured this out before Bush launched the invasion of 2003&#8230;  Hence, our forces raced to Baghdad and Bush declared his famous &#8220;Mission Accomplished&#8221; statement but who or what had our forces actually defeated?</p>
<p>The high command drooled over the prospect of easy targets in open country and the opportunity to put on a show of &#8220;shock &amp; awe&#8221;.  They had little inclination towards considering the possibility that they were being suckered into a protracted guerilla war, as has proven to be the case.  Bush and his approved generals still stick doggedly to their original strategies and it is not too hard to see why the junior officers are disenchanted.</p>
<p>Aside from the fact that the initial rationale for the invasion has proven to be bogus and that both the Dems and Reps are still maneuvering to keep US forces in Iraq, indefinitely, we must start looking at the big picture and refrain from being drawn into the jots and tittles of partisanship wrangling over the whys and wherefores of the war.  The <i>reality</i> of it is that we have idiots in positions of high political office who care little or nothing for the opinion of the American people and that our military high commanded is staffed by people whose mindsets are still focused on the days of Patton and the Horse Calvary&#8230;</p>
<p>Yapping and tapping about Iraq has become an industry that distracts people from the fact that the whole thing was one of the dumbest ideas that has ever been formulated in the short history of US foreign policy and leaving immediately is the best course of action&#8230;  Porter&#8217;s claim of &#8220;we don&#8217;t know what will happen&#8221; if we leave immediately is BS&#8230;  The fact that we invaded with no set plan and that we are still there with no clear goal in sight shows that we still haven&#8217;t got a clue about what we are doing there and continually talking about the &#8220;what if&#8221; of the situation will solve absolutely nothing.  Bottom line: a poopload of people have been killed, maimed and displaced from their homes for nothing and we are still arguing about the details.  That is exactly what the people who perpetrated this mess want&#8230;</p>
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