Anders posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 11:08 am.
Hey John McCain is visiting the UK on friday to meet with out unelected prime minister Gordon Brown, ……. want me to take him out for you ?
evilpaul posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 11:42 am.
Could you have him picked up on preemptive war crimes charges?
Scott posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 11:49 am.
Anders, please just send the bobbies to arrest him. We don’t need another war with England.
Anders posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 11:59 am.
Damn he’s cancelled his visit.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 12:12 pm.
Amerikans are sheep. They’re gonna get the government they deserve and they’re gonna get it good and hard.
F this shit. Now that the primary is done I ain’t gonna stay registered Repo. I’m gonna go back to bein’ a registered Librarian. Or F it. These elections are a f’ing joke. I’m gonna unregister.
Can ya unregister? The only way I know of doing that is to move. (Ya gotta re-register whenever ya move to be able to vote.) Can ya unregister to vote without moving?
Anders posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 12:15 pm.
to many sheep voting on silly wedge issues, someone was interviewed before the MTV Q&A and said that abortion is there top issue.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 12:18 pm.
Damn. In Shitfornia Ghouliani is beating Ron Paul. I hate f’ing Taxifornia. But at least all the precincts haven’t reported yet so maybe it’ll change.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 12:20 pm.
Hey Anders, are you in London? What time is it there now? Around 5:20 in the evening?
Anders posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 12:27 pm.
No Im further ‘oop north’, nearer to Manchester, and it’s 5:26pm here.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 12:30 pm.
Pretty damn cold up there, isn’t it?
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 12:32 pm.
Hey Anders, do the McCain ads show up for you when you’re in this here Stressblog? Google probably targets by the location of the IP address so I’m guessing you never see them and get some other ad instead.
Anders posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 12:33 pm.
Yep Sure is grim oops north, i think it rained pretty well everyday last year up here.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 12:34 pm.
Cool, Scott! If there’s one silver lining in all this it’s to see that cackling, cross-dressing, ghoul of a hynea getting beat by Ron Paul in his own f’ing state!
Anders posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 12:36 pm.
Haven’t seen a McCain ad, but on a football (soccer) message board i post on there is a huge “change we can believe in” at the top of the page, with a big picture of Obama on it.
phil posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 12:40 pm.
All,
Thanks for making me laugh. When I heard the results today, I wanted to cry.
Lets all go to the GOP final nomination dinner and do this:
MikeL posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 1:13 pm.
Just got off the phone with a good friend who voted Obama despite my pleas for Paul. She confessed what I have been suspecting is going on: Paul is just “too scary, too radical” for most people. That’s right, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution are too scary and too radical for Americans. I told her that she voted for more war, more debt, etc. and she said no, she was sure that Obama would be different. It was at that point that I handed the phone over to my wife so that I could go shoot myself. Fortunately, I’m out of bullets.
phil posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 1:15 pm.
MikeL,
Based upon that phone call, it appears that America is going to get the government that they deserve and not what they necessarily want.
Anders posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 1:17 pm.
Hey isn’t Brzezinski advising Obama on foreign policy ? thats far more scary than anything Ron Paul has.
Scott posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 1:26 pm.
“Hey isn’t Brzezinski advising Obama on foreign policy ? thats far more scary than anything Ron Paul has.”
Right on both counts.
MikeL posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 1:29 pm.
It means that Obama will be a “realist.” Realists are of course very dangerous people.
Anders posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 1:33 pm.
Has anyone seen the film “our own private bin laden” ? Brzezinski is in that bragging about provoking the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, a war which i guess killed hundreds of thousands of people, i wonder if all these people fawning over Obama are aware of who he is being advised by ?
MikeL posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 1:35 pm.
Re: Getting out of social security.
Even I admit that that prospect scares me a little. But it’s because I’m not very self-sufficient and I seem to lack the skills for investment. How will the kids like me invest if they’re not in SS? Of course I realize that SS may not be there for them in a couple of decades, but I think it’s a fair question to ask what alternatives there will be. Would we spend all our time agonizing and fretting over our investments? Of course people do that now, but that’s no way to live, if you ask me.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 2:08 pm.
How will the kids like me invest if they’re not in SS?
MikeL, this is the fallacy of the false dilemna (aka the false dichotomy). You need to save and invest whether you’re in Socialist Insecurity or not because the reality is you will get next to nothing out of Socialist Insecurity. And in fact, you will have less to save and invest if you ARE in Socialist Insecurity because the guv thugs take over 7% from you and over 7% from your boss for this socialist ponzi scheme.
If the guv thugs offered to let you out of it today (meaning you and your boss don’t have to pay in but you also get nothing from it when you are old) you would be better off because you would have more to save today and in the future versus having less to save and getting next to nothing from this socialist ponzi scheme when you are old.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 2:11 pm.
Bob Bogus Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Why, admin, why?
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 2:12 pm.
Tryin’ to respond to MikeL about this socialist insecurity….
How will the kids like me invest if they’re not in SS?
MikeL, this is the fallacy of the false dilemna (aka the false dichotomy). You need to save and invest whether you’re in Socialist Insecurity or not because the reality is you will get next to nothing out of Socialist Insecurity. And in fact, you will have less to save and invest if you ARE in Socialist Insecurity because the guv thugs take over 7% from you and over 7% from your boss for this socialist ponzi scheme.
If the guv thugs offered to let you out of it today (meaning you and your boss don’t have to pay in but you also get nothing from it when you are old) you would be better off because you would have more to save today and in the future versus having less to save and getting next to nothing from this socialist ponzi scheme when you are old.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 2:13 pm.
Hey MikeL, check this thread out tomorrow. I tried to respond to your question about socialist insecurity but this here stress blog won’t post it…
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 2:15 pm.
I got an answer to your socialist insecurity question but it ain’t being posted….try checking later….
Scott posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 2:17 pm.
Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998
Posted at globalresearch.ca 15 October 2001
Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
B: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
Translated from the French by Bill Blum
evilpaul posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 2:24 pm.
Re: Getting out of social security
If the Federal Reserve didn’t make the interest rate on savings accounts ~1% because they’re perpetually lowering rates for the billionaires on Wall Street, you’d have easy, safe investments in things like Certificates of Deposit and wouldn’t need to have an extensive knowledge of all sorts of markets to make money with investments.
And, smilarly, I don’t know how to fix my car when it (frequently) breaks, that’s what a mechanic is for. There’s plenty of investment broker guys you can go to to plan for retirement who can guide you through all the hoops.
In any case, I’m hoping we’ll have a Greater Depression long before that to stop all these evil motherfuckers in Washington and their murderous global hegemony. This country seems far too full of the terminally stupid and murder-loving to join the Revolution and make the change voluntarily.
In a cheery and unrelated note… Scott, how about a “Are you afraid of Pirates?” bumpersticker with Bin Laden & co. pictured there?
Anders posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 2:28 pm.
Well, i doubt anyone advising Ron Paul has something as scary as that on there rap sheet, i doubt most Obama supporters dig past his “change” buzz words to discover who is advising him.
peter saker posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 2:39 pm.
Do you have the mp3 of the Dr. Paul segment you played today on the radio in a public place? It’s really good.
MikeL posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 2:49 pm.
If the Federal Reserve didn’t make the interest rate on savings accounts ~1% because they’re perpetually lowering rates for the billionaires on Wall Street, you’d have easy, safe investments in things like Certificates of Deposit and wouldn’t need to have an extensive knowledge of all sorts of markets to make money with investments.
There is no certainty that under a “Paul economy” that CDs, or what have you, would even exist as we know it. Or more importantly, that you can convince the voter that they should trade the certainty of a (low, deflated) government-backed return on their retirement savings for the uncertainty of the market. I’m not advocating the gubment route, but it’s important to keep in mind that market uncertainty is a very scary thing to most normal people, but in fact that’s the trade-off that Paul is asking them to make.
There’s plenty of investment broker guys you can go to to plan for retirement who can guide you through all the hoops.
This doesn’t instill me with much confidence, seeing how most brokers are just glorified sales men. But maybe there’d be more scrutiny of shady sales if there was more individual responsibility. But again, who knows what those Paul-era brokers would even be selling?
In any case, I’m hoping we’ll have a Greater Depression long before that to stop all these evil motherfuckers in Washington and their murderous global hegemony. This country seems far too full of the terminally stupid and murder-loving to join the Revolution and make the change voluntarily.
I don’t think that the last depression was a very good thing for liberty, was it? What makes you think it’ll be any better the next time around? Me, I’m not so excited about a big crash. Very bad things will happen, for sure.
evilpaul posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 3:14 pm.
The market rate of interest was historically higher than the negative rate we have now when you factor in inflation. And things like CDs and long term investments existed at the time too. This isn’t exactly new stuff, it’s what people always did prior to the last hundred years.
The last depression wasn’t great for liberty, but I know the empire and massive debt can’t grow forevers, so they’re not going to. At least a bankrupt US government will have to stop it’s “bomb the shit out of brown people (and be surprised that they might not appreciate it too much)” foreign policy.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 3:40 pm.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea.
So it was because of this “excellent idea” that we all have had to register for the draft since 1980 since Carter ordered it blaming the Soviets. Just curious, do kids today still register? I know they have to to get guv thug student aid and I heard that some states won’t let kids renew their drivers licenses if their not registered. Is this true? Do kids not register anyway?
Redrum posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 4:08 pm.
Scott posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 6:19 pm.
Red, just an extra pain in the neck is all.
Redrum posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 6:28 pm.
Lol, I lused to isten to your show sometimes while working, but I could not concentrate on working or on listening at the same time. And yes I can chew gum and walk at the same time in case anyone was wondering… so I just listen to the interviews now on antiwar .
Redrum posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 6:31 pm.
Shit, how in the hell did I put an l in front of “used” and forget it in front of “isten”, maybe it doesn’t matter if I’m listening to anything or not, I can’t concentrate unless I have my pills…
james posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 6:35 pm.
Where’s vineyardsaker?
MikeL posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 6:53 pm.
Bob Bogus,
Yeah, it all makes sense on paper–getting the guv out of the equation, that is. But the problem is that we’re asking people to trade a system that they have seen their parents and grandparents do ok on financially–not great, just ok–for a system of total financial self sufficiency. Of course the latter system is the one required to live an existence free of the State and its coercive apparatus, but try convincing people that it’s better to take care of yourself than have someone else do it for you. I bet you’ll win the rhetorical argument–I have time and again–but most will choose as they did on Feb. 5, out of pure fear of uncertainty and out of ignorance if nothing else, to let the state take over. I think this is what’s going on inside the head of my Obama-voting friend that I mentioned earlier. She doesn’t know how to save a dime so why not let the state take care of her, or so she’s probably thinking. And I bet she’s typical of most Americans, Republicans included. To overthrow that kind of mentality is going to take a lot of work.
MikeL posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 6:54 pm.
James,
Vineyardsaker is long gone. I want to know where Mace is.
Scott posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 7:06 pm.
…Mace came around the other day.
Scott posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 7:07 pm.
What about Mudshark?
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 7:12 pm.
But the problem is that we’re asking people to trade a system that they have seen their parents and grandparents do ok on financially–not great, just ok–for a system of total financial self sufficiency.
I don’t think people are gonna have a choice to trade the system as it is for self-sufficiency. With the way these programs operate and with the demographic reality Medicare and Social Security are completely unsustainable programs. It will be much less painful to pull the plug on these ponzi schemes now than later. Ron Paul’s idea of phasing out these programs is probably the most humane way to go about it.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 7:15 pm.
Did all you dudes register fer the draft when you were 18? (Except for Anders unless they got draft registration in jolly ole England.)
MikeL posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 8:04 pm.
Bob,
Yeah, you’re probably right about the solvency of those programs, but forward-looking is not how I’d describe the average american.
And yes, I registered at 18. I still remember the particular post office, the time of day, and the proud look on my dad’s face after I signed up. That was 23 years ago. Yesterday dad voted for RP.
Oscar Goldman posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 8:11 pm.
Woo woo! Scott.
I got the “Horton Bump” earlier re: my comment on the Ron Paul match.
Thanks for the shout out, mon!
Oscar Goldman posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 8:21 pm.
Yes I registered for the draft like the dumb bitch that I am.
Oscar Goldman posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 8:23 pm.
That was almost 19 years ago. Allah, praise be His name, how time flies.
evilpaul posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 8:40 pm.
Regarding draft registration…you’re required by law to update it everytime you move. If you don’t register, you can become inelegible for various state/federal crap. If you didn’t send them an update and you moved, well that would sure gum up the works for the feds should they reinstate the draft.
MikeL posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 8:58 pm.
evilpaul,
In that case, i’ve been so long ineligible for the selective service that I might as well be dead and buried. But it’s never stopped me from getting your federal tax dollars shipped to me. he he.
Oscar Goldman posted the following on February 6, 2008 at 9:00 pm.
Wow. I must have lived in dozens of places since then.
John Delano posted the following on February 7, 2008 at 12:21 am.
“ Bob Bogus,
Yeah, it all makes sense on paper–getting the guv out of the equation, that is. But the problem is that we’re asking people to trade a system that they have seen their parents and grandparents do ok on financially–not great, just ok–for a system of total financial self sufficiency. Of course the latter system is the one required to live an existence free of the State and its coercive apparatus, but try convincing people that it’s better to take care of yourself than have someone else do it for you. I bet you’ll win the rhetorical argument–I have time and again–but most will choose as they did on Feb. 5, out of pure fear of uncertainty and out of ignorance if nothing else, to let the state take over. I think this is what’s going on inside the head of my Obama-voting friend that I mentioned earlier. She doesn’t know how to save a dime so why not let the state take care of her, or so she’s probably thinking. And I bet she’s typical of most Americans, Republicans included. To overthrow that kind of mentality is going to take a lot of work.” - MikeL
This is an example of the seen and unseen. It is why so many people think that people had jobs in the 1930s because of the New Deal. They don’t think about what those people may have been doing instead of subsidizing growth in the desert etc. if the government had not kept businesses from adjusting and expanding.
The way that Ron Paul has mentioned as a way of phasing out the system will be hard to convince people of. I think the only way that there will be a change is when it collapses. This will likely be through hyper-inflation as people continue to get their checks, but the value is eroded away. I don’t think many of the people in the system really care about this right now, even those that realize this, as they assume they will be taking dirt naps when it goes bust.
John Delano posted the following on February 7, 2008 at 12:23 am.
As for the draft, I think we should flood the Selective Service with bad information for nonexistent people to make the system insolvent.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 7, 2008 at 2:30 am.
The way that Ron Paul has mentioned as a way of phasing out the system will be hard to convince people of. I think the only way that there will be a change is when it collapses.
It could be like the Sovient Union where the whole damn thing collapses, not just two or three of the largest government ponzi scheme programs. A French socialogist who predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union thinks the US faces a similar downfall.
Bob Bogus posted the following on February 7, 2008 at 2:40 am.
Hey James, thanks for that file of the show!
pupnik posted the following on February 7, 2008 at 8:51 am.
Thanks for that wonderful norman finkelstein interview, Redrum.
The last two links on finkelstein’s page are ‘removed by youtube’ but if you mouse-over the related video lineup at the bottom of each youtube window, you can see Parts 6 and 7 (P6 P7) are still viewable.
Hey John McCain is visiting the UK on friday to meet with out unelected prime minister Gordon Brown, ……. want me to take him out for you ?
Could you have him picked up on preemptive war crimes charges?
Anders, please just send the bobbies to arrest him. We don’t need another war with England.
Damn he’s cancelled his visit.
Amerikans are sheep. They’re gonna get the government they deserve and they’re gonna get it good and hard.
F this shit. Now that the primary is done I ain’t gonna stay registered Repo. I’m gonna go back to bein’ a registered Librarian. Or F it. These elections are a f’ing joke. I’m gonna unregister.
Can ya unregister? The only way I know of doing that is to move. (Ya gotta re-register whenever ya move to be able to vote.) Can ya unregister to vote without moving?
to many sheep voting on silly wedge issues, someone was interviewed before the MTV Q&A and said that abortion is there top issue.
Damn. In Shitfornia Ghouliani is beating Ron Paul. I hate f’ing Taxifornia. But at least all the precincts haven’t reported yet so maybe it’ll change.
Hey Anders, are you in London? What time is it there now? Around 5:20 in the evening?
No Im further ‘oop north’, nearer to Manchester, and it’s 5:26pm here.
Pretty damn cold up there, isn’t it?
Hey Anders, do the McCain ads show up for you when you’re in this here Stressblog? Google probably targets by the location of the IP address so I’m guessing you never see them and get some other ad instead.
Yep Sure is grim oops north, i think it rained pretty well everyday last year up here.
Cool, Scott! If there’s one silver lining in all this it’s to see that cackling, cross-dressing, ghoul of a hynea getting beat by Ron Paul in his own f’ing state!
Haven’t seen a McCain ad, but on a football (soccer) message board i post on there is a huge “change we can believe in” at the top of the page, with a big picture of Obama on it.
All,
Thanks for making me laugh. When I heard the results today, I wanted to cry.
Lets all go to the GOP final nomination dinner and do this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qwirWWnzJKM
Good idea, phil.
Just had a scary thought ….. McCain / 9u11iani ticket :O
hey scott
Colin powell-
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=5818507279124232524&q=colin+powell+iraq&total=208&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
Just got off the phone with a good friend who voted Obama despite my pleas for Paul. She confessed what I have been suspecting is going on: Paul is just “too scary, too radical” for most people. That’s right, the Bill of Rights and the Constitution are too scary and too radical for Americans. I told her that she voted for more war, more debt, etc. and she said no, she was sure that Obama would be different. It was at that point that I handed the phone over to my wife so that I could go shoot myself. Fortunately, I’m out of bullets.
MikeL,
Based upon that phone call, it appears that America is going to get the government that they deserve and not what they necessarily want.
Hey isn’t Brzezinski advising Obama on foreign policy ? thats far more scary than anything Ron Paul has.
“Hey isn’t Brzezinski advising Obama on foreign policy ? thats far more scary than anything Ron Paul has.”
Right on both counts.
It means that Obama will be a “realist.” Realists are of course very dangerous people.
Has anyone seen the film “our own private bin laden” ? Brzezinski is in that bragging about provoking the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, a war which i guess killed hundreds of thousands of people, i wonder if all these people fawning over Obama are aware of who he is being advised by ?
Re: Getting out of social security.
Even I admit that that prospect scares me a little. But it’s because I’m not very self-sufficient and I seem to lack the skills for investment. How will the kids like me invest if they’re not in SS? Of course I realize that SS may not be there for them in a couple of decades, but I think it’s a fair question to ask what alternatives there will be. Would we spend all our time agonizing and fretting over our investments? Of course people do that now, but that’s no way to live, if you ask me.
How will the kids like me invest if they’re not in SS?
MikeL, this is the fallacy of the false dilemna (aka the false dichotomy). You need to save and invest whether you’re in Socialist Insecurity or not because the reality is you will get next to nothing out of Socialist Insecurity. And in fact, you will have less to save and invest if you ARE in Socialist Insecurity because the guv thugs take over 7% from you and over 7% from your boss for this socialist ponzi scheme.
If the guv thugs offered to let you out of it today (meaning you and your boss don’t have to pay in but you also get nothing from it when you are old) you would be better off because you would have more to save today and in the future versus having less to save and getting next to nothing from this socialist ponzi scheme when you are old.
Bob Bogus Your comment is awaiting moderation.
Why, admin, why?
Tryin’ to respond to MikeL about this socialist insecurity….
How will the kids like me invest if they’re not in SS?
MikeL, this is the fallacy of the false dilemna (aka the false dichotomy). You need to save and invest whether you’re in Socialist Insecurity or not because the reality is you will get next to nothing out of Socialist Insecurity. And in fact, you will have less to save and invest if you ARE in Socialist Insecurity because the guv thugs take over 7% from you and over 7% from your boss for this socialist ponzi scheme.
If the guv thugs offered to let you out of it today (meaning you and your boss don’t have to pay in but you also get nothing from it when you are old) you would be better off because you would have more to save today and in the future versus having less to save and getting next to nothing from this socialist ponzi scheme when you are old.
Hey MikeL, check this thread out tomorrow. I tried to respond to your question about socialist insecurity but this here stress blog won’t post it…
I got an answer to your socialist insecurity question but it ain’t being posted….try checking later….
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser
Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998
Posted at globalresearch.ca 15 October 2001
Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.
Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?
B: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
Translated from the French by Bill Blum
Re: Getting out of social security
If the Federal Reserve didn’t make the interest rate on savings accounts ~1% because they’re perpetually lowering rates for the billionaires on Wall Street, you’d have easy, safe investments in things like Certificates of Deposit and wouldn’t need to have an extensive knowledge of all sorts of markets to make money with investments.
And, smilarly, I don’t know how to fix my car when it (frequently) breaks, that’s what a mechanic is for. There’s plenty of investment broker guys you can go to to plan for retirement who can guide you through all the hoops.
In any case, I’m hoping we’ll have a Greater Depression long before that to stop all these evil motherfuckers in Washington and their murderous global hegemony. This country seems far too full of the terminally stupid and murder-loving to join the Revolution and make the change voluntarily.
In a cheery and unrelated note… Scott, how about a “Are you afraid of Pirates?” bumpersticker with Bin Laden & co. pictured there?
Well, i doubt anyone advising Ron Paul has something as scary as that on there rap sheet, i doubt most Obama supporters dig past his “change” buzz words to discover who is advising him.
Do you have the mp3 of the Dr. Paul segment you played today on the radio in a public place? It’s really good.
If the Federal Reserve didn’t make the interest rate on savings accounts ~1% because they’re perpetually lowering rates for the billionaires on Wall Street, you’d have easy, safe investments in things like Certificates of Deposit and wouldn’t need to have an extensive knowledge of all sorts of markets to make money with investments.
There is no certainty that under a “Paul economy” that CDs, or what have you, would even exist as we know it. Or more importantly, that you can convince the voter that they should trade the certainty of a (low, deflated) government-backed return on their retirement savings for the uncertainty of the market. I’m not advocating the gubment route, but it’s important to keep in mind that market uncertainty is a very scary thing to most normal people, but in fact that’s the trade-off that Paul is asking them to make.
There’s plenty of investment broker guys you can go to to plan for retirement who can guide you through all the hoops.
This doesn’t instill me with much confidence, seeing how most brokers are just glorified sales men. But maybe there’d be more scrutiny of shady sales if there was more individual responsibility. But again, who knows what those Paul-era brokers would even be selling?
In any case, I’m hoping we’ll have a Greater Depression long before that to stop all these evil motherfuckers in Washington and their murderous global hegemony. This country seems far too full of the terminally stupid and murder-loving to join the Revolution and make the change voluntarily.
I don’t think that the last depression was a very good thing for liberty, was it? What makes you think it’ll be any better the next time around? Me, I’m not so excited about a big crash. Very bad things will happen, for sure.
The market rate of interest was historically higher than the negative rate we have now when you factor in inflation. And things like CDs and long term investments existed at the time too. This isn’t exactly new stuff, it’s what people always did prior to the last hundred years.
The last depression wasn’t great for liberty, but I know the empire and massive debt can’t grow forevers, so they’re not going to. At least a bankrupt US government will have to stop it’s “bomb the shit out of brown people (and be surprised that they might not appreciate it too much)” foreign policy.
Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea.
So it was because of this “excellent idea” that we all have had to register for the draft since 1980 since Carter ordered it blaming the Soviets. Just curious, do kids today still register? I know they have to to get guv thug student aid and I heard that some states won’t let kids renew their drivers licenses if their not registered. Is this true? Do kids not register anyway?
This may be an appropriate bumper sticker also…
http://www.libertystickers.com/d/6608989_38289.htm
Scott, why did you quit posting your radio show mp3, no thing to tape it?
Good interview but long:
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=1480
Today’s show at http://www.mediafire.com/?5bvv3tt1wr9
Red, just an extra pain in the neck is all.
Lol, I lused to isten to your show sometimes while working, but I could not concentrate on working or on listening at the same time. And yes I can chew gum and walk at the same time in case anyone was wondering… so I just listen to the interviews now on antiwar .
Shit, how in the hell did I put an l in front of “used” and forget it in front of “isten”, maybe it doesn’t matter if I’m listening to anything or not, I can’t concentrate unless I have my pills…
Where’s vineyardsaker?
Bob Bogus,
Yeah, it all makes sense on paper–getting the guv out of the equation, that is. But the problem is that we’re asking people to trade a system that they have seen their parents and grandparents do ok on financially–not great, just ok–for a system of total financial self sufficiency. Of course the latter system is the one required to live an existence free of the State and its coercive apparatus, but try convincing people that it’s better to take care of yourself than have someone else do it for you. I bet you’ll win the rhetorical argument–I have time and again–but most will choose as they did on Feb. 5, out of pure fear of uncertainty and out of ignorance if nothing else, to let the state take over. I think this is what’s going on inside the head of my Obama-voting friend that I mentioned earlier. She doesn’t know how to save a dime so why not let the state take care of her, or so she’s probably thinking. And I bet she’s typical of most Americans, Republicans included. To overthrow that kind of mentality is going to take a lot of work.
James,
Vineyardsaker is long gone. I want to know where Mace is.
…Mace came around the other day.
What about Mudshark?
But the problem is that we’re asking people to trade a system that they have seen their parents and grandparents do ok on financially–not great, just ok–for a system of total financial self sufficiency.
I don’t think people are gonna have a choice to trade the system as it is for self-sufficiency. With the way these programs operate and with the demographic reality Medicare and Social Security are completely unsustainable programs. It will be much less painful to pull the plug on these ponzi schemes now than later. Ron Paul’s idea of phasing out these programs is probably the most humane way to go about it.
Did all you dudes register fer the draft when you were 18? (Except for Anders unless they got draft registration in jolly ole England.)
Bob,
Yeah, you’re probably right about the solvency of those programs, but forward-looking is not how I’d describe the average american.
And yes, I registered at 18. I still remember the particular post office, the time of day, and the proud look on my dad’s face after I signed up. That was 23 years ago. Yesterday dad voted for RP.
Woo woo! Scott.
I got the “Horton Bump” earlier re: my comment on the Ron Paul match.
Thanks for the shout out, mon!
Yes I registered for the draft like the dumb bitch that I am.
That was almost 19 years ago. Allah, praise be His name, how time flies.
Regarding draft registration…you’re required by law to update it everytime you move. If you don’t register, you can become inelegible for various state/federal crap. If you didn’t send them an update and you moved, well that would sure gum up the works for the feds should they reinstate the draft.
Scott interviewed a guy about it a while back:
http://www.scotthortonshow.com/2007/08/15/antiwar-radio-scott-kohlhass/
There’s a link to his site on draft resistance.
evilpaul,
In that case, i’ve been so long ineligible for the selective service that I might as well be dead and buried. But it’s never stopped me from getting your federal tax dollars shipped to me. he he.
Wow. I must have lived in dozens of places since then.
“ Bob Bogus,
Yeah, it all makes sense on paper–getting the guv out of the equation, that is. But the problem is that we’re asking people to trade a system that they have seen their parents and grandparents do ok on financially–not great, just ok–for a system of total financial self sufficiency. Of course the latter system is the one required to live an existence free of the State and its coercive apparatus, but try convincing people that it’s better to take care of yourself than have someone else do it for you. I bet you’ll win the rhetorical argument–I have time and again–but most will choose as they did on Feb. 5, out of pure fear of uncertainty and out of ignorance if nothing else, to let the state take over. I think this is what’s going on inside the head of my Obama-voting friend that I mentioned earlier. She doesn’t know how to save a dime so why not let the state take care of her, or so she’s probably thinking. And I bet she’s typical of most Americans, Republicans included. To overthrow that kind of mentality is going to take a lot of work.” - MikeL
This is an example of the seen and unseen. It is why so many people think that people had jobs in the 1930s because of the New Deal. They don’t think about what those people may have been doing instead of subsidizing growth in the desert etc. if the government had not kept businesses from adjusting and expanding.
The way that Ron Paul has mentioned as a way of phasing out the system will be hard to convince people of. I think the only way that there will be a change is when it collapses. This will likely be through hyper-inflation as people continue to get their checks, but the value is eroded away. I don’t think many of the people in the system really care about this right now, even those that realize this, as they assume they will be taking dirt naps when it goes bust.
As for the draft, I think we should flood the Selective Service with bad information for nonexistent people to make the system insolvent.
The way that Ron Paul has mentioned as a way of phasing out the system will be hard to convince people of. I think the only way that there will be a change is when it collapses.
It could be like the Sovient Union where the whole damn thing collapses, not just two or three of the largest government ponzi scheme programs. A French socialogist who predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union thinks the US faces a similar downfall.
Hey James, thanks for that file of the show!
Thanks for that wonderful norman finkelstein interview, Redrum.
The last two links on finkelstein’s page are ‘removed by youtube’ but if you mouse-over the related video lineup at the bottom of each youtube window, you can see Parts 6 and 7 (P6 P7) are still viewable.