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Howard Zinn, Mike Gravel, Philip Giraldi and Glenn Greenwald on the Scott Horton Show at Antiwar Radio
Howard Zinn, Mike Gravel, Philip Giraldi and Glenn Greenwald will be the featured guests on the Scott Horton Show on Antiwar Radio, Monday, April 7.
Howard Zinn will be discussing A People’s History of the American Empire at 12:15 PM Eastern.
Mike Gravel will be discussing his switch from the Democratic Party to the Libertarian Party, and entering the presidential nomination race for the 2008 Libertarian presidential nomination at 1:15 PM Eastern.
Philip Giraldi will be discussing Iran and Iraq.
Glenn Greenwald will will be discussing Attorney General Mukasey’s deceptions on domestic spying.
Howard Zinn is a highly acclaimed American historian, political scientist, social critic, activist, and playwright. He is best known for his bestseller titled, A People’s History of the United States, is Professor Emeritus in the Political Science Department at Boston University.
Mike Gravel is a former Democratic United States Senator from Alaska, elected first in 1968, and re elected in 1974. He is a former presidential candidate for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, and currently running for the 2008 Libertarian presidential nomination.
Philip Giraldi is a former CIA and DIA officer, now with Cannistraro Associates, The American Conservative magazine and Antiwar.com.
Glenn Greenwald is a former attorney and current political and legal blogger and columnist at Salon.com. He is the author of How Would a Patriot Act? and A Tragic Legacy, both New York Times bestsellers.
The Scott Horton Show airs Monday through Friday from 12PM-2PM Eastern on KAOS 92.7FM. Additional feeds and archives available at Antiwar Radio.
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It will be interesting to see how Gravel comes across regarding the bottom line principle: government has no legitimate function except protection from force and fraud. At least he might teach libertarians something about how to win elections: See:
http://spirituallibertarian.blogspot.com/
How many LP candidates actually hold to that standard, Christian? It is way too much to expect Libertarians to be libertarian.
And, for the record, I don’t think that standard needs to necessarily be the standard for a candidate, so long as he doesn’t spend considerable time advocating aggression. Ron Paul had some holes in his philosophy, but he is still a hero who spent almost all his time denouncing oppression.
Gravel’s National Initiative idea is horrible.
If he insists on trying to accomplishing something good using only “democratic” means, then he should be championing jury nullification which protects minorities from the violent will of the majorities. We already have enough ways for majorities to oppress minorities.
Maybe the LP convention should pass a resolution suggesting that Gravel consider leading a FIJA revolt across the country–since he says he’s interested in giving power to “the people” to repeal laws. And it seems like a lot more practical project than a project that depends on passing constitutional amendments.
Seems word is spreading about todays show
Ha! That’s funny.
Phil Giraldi will be on the show as well.
“Now you’re talking like a libertarian.” That’s funny.
Just signing on at 0937, PST. Did I miss the moment of Zinn?
The Zin man has just been on.
crap. guess I’ll wait until it’s posted.
MikeL: The archived KAOS edition will be up as soon as the show is over and up at Antiwar Radio by Wednesday.
Attacking Iran is a crazy idea, ….. but if the neo-cons have taught us anything it’s that they are indeed crazy.
danke.
Dude, Gravel can’t hear you.
Boy that “majority rule” question did not go over well. I don’t think Gravel had any idea what you were asking.
Dang, if Gravel becomes president I sure hope he gets a new phone. I can just see him talking to the Russians about nukes on the cell of his.
Wow! He’s dense. Its like he’s never heard of limited government or the bill of rights and even Scott Horton can’t explain it to him.
He said Bush lied to the American people. Ask him if deception of the majority might in fact subvert the purpose of “direct democracy”
Uh oh! He said the “g” word - “global”
I don’t think the militiaman/patriot movement is going to like his idea of upholding the world court.
Wow, this is a great conversation! Woo-hoo
Dang, I gotta reason some things out…
Nutty!
Gravel has, thru this interview shown himself unqualified to receive the Libertarian Party Presidential nomination. Sure the LP could do alot worse, but Barr is the better choice.
Good job Scott.
Did he really just say “well buy that, and forget the rest” vis-a-vis being in peace and globalism at the same time.
Does he really think being a global, direct democracy is in any way libertarian?
He’s not for free trade.
He is for the U.N.
One of Gravel’s fatal flaws is that he sees the government as HE would rule it. He will NEVER be dictator-n-chief so his whole premise is completely flawed.
By the way is Gravel drunk?
So, Scott Horton rules because he’s in the minority?
BB: Dang, I gotta reason some things out…
We’ve all got a lot of things to reason out…
citizen power…wtf? we ALREADY have the power Senator, too many power are ignorant of our role in this Republic.
I think when Gravel filled out the paperwork for his presidential bid he mispelled Green as Libertarian.
Wow he sounded very patronizing at the end there.
AND apparently we all need to read the Constitution MORE and then we can be as well informed as the good Senator.
Good job again Scott dealing with that train wreck.
I think that has ruled out any notion that he and Ron Paul could run on the same ticket.
Hey Scott…. are you gonna become a member of the Constitution Party now?
and seems like you got your wish of having people on the show who disagree with you…too bad it was with a guy who is supposed to be representing us.
WWHBD…what would harry browne do/think!
I liked Zinn better.
Maybe you and Anthony Gregory and Angela can hook up with Mark Koernke and run border patrols to defend our national sovereignty against those who would undermine our Constitution Republic both from without and from within….
And since you got all that power Horton (since you’re in the minority) whatcha gonna do with it?
Giraldi was also really good. I’m still amazed that a half-hour interview on a pirate radio show can be more informative than weeks’ worth of reading and viewing msm coverage on Iraq.
Is it possible to be a libertarian and pro global government ? isn’t that a contradiction ?.
Is it possible to be a libertarian and pro global government ? isn’t that a contradiction ?.
No. Yes.
Zinn is objectively more sane (and more humane) than Gravel. I’m pretty sure there’s a computer program out there that could prove it.
Hey Scott:
When are you going to have Wayne A. Root on your show to explain how aggressive military interventions and taxpayer support of Israel (among other “friendly” nations) are compatible with libertarian philosophy?
If I were WAR I’d be pissed….In fact, if I were WAR I’d call your show and say hey man, if Gravel can talk about how global direct democracy is compatible with individual liberty, then I demand equal time!
Zinn is objectively more sane (and more humane) than Gravel.
Leaving philosophy aside for a moment……………
Can you imagine the potential for VOTER FRAUD in something like this?
….and the Nation of Turkministan……the YEAS are 865,006 the NAYS 0 — 2 abstentions
… Maybe you can have Gravel and Will Grigg on concurrently…. I know WNG is a big fan of global government.
Zinn is objectively more sane (and more humane) than Gravel.
Tom S.
When I originally copied and pasted this, I was going to make some caustic remark about putting Femal Genital Mutilation up to a global democratic vote…..then I changed my mind….so the copy and paste did not correlate…deep guilt….Shame….
stevec–http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/05/barr-launches-exploratory-committee/#comments
I guess not everyone finds the Libertarian Party his or her cup of tea.
some caustic remark about putting Femal Genital Mutilation up to a global democratic vote
Yeah . . . that’d be Prop 4,987,003,239 on the ballot. Posters and bumperstickers’d be everywhere for it, as long as it could fit on a bumpersticker or a poster. Maybe a billboard
This global vote thing sounds really great. I’ve always wondered what I could do with all my free time–under Gravel I’ll be able to vote on EVERYTHING!
This global vote thing sounds really great. I’ve always wondered what I could do with all my free time–under Gravel I’ll be able to vote on EVERYTHING!
What should be the speeding limit on the isle of Malta? And what should be the penalties for violating this limit?
Stevec, if ya v iolate the speed limit yer auto will be seized and you will be sentenced to riding one of these things…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hnk_SvhoUk4
What should be the speeding limit on the isle of Malta? And what should be the penalties for violating this limit?
6 and beheading? I’m willing to take a stand.
Zinn isn’t more sane than Gravel. Scott merely did not ask him any difficult questions.
Scott asked Gravel the harder questions to clarify to what degree Mike understood and represented the libertarian ethos.
If Zinn had been running for the Libertarian Party nomination, I’m sure he would not have come off as well here on The Show, because Scott would rightfully have probed into his collectivist assumptions and beliefs.
Don’t credit Zinn with an improved outlook just because he wasn’t asked hard questions here. The topic of the two interviews was different, and Scott asked exactly the right questions of each.
Yeah . . . that’d be Prop 4,987,003,239 on the ballot. Posters and bumperstickers’d be everywhere for it, as long as it could fit on a bumpersticker or a poster. Maybe a billboard
Would we have to take a second vote on whether to apply anaesthesia before the genital mutilation? If say, NO GENITIAL MUTILATION got 40% of the vote….GENITAL MUTILATION WITHOUT ANAESTHESIA got 32% and GENITAL MUTILATION WITH ANAESTHESIA got 28%, we would not have genital mutilation although 60% favor it? I think what we need to do is require a majority vote, not a plurality…..What we do, is if there is no pure majority, we take the top two vote getters, eliminate the rest, and have another vote…
Is everybody with me? Or should we have a vote?
>Is everybody with me? Or should we have a vote?
With ya? You are neglecting the punishment for the Maltese speeders. Before we can proceed we need to have you road test the punishment for the condemned speeders…
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hnk_SvhoUk4
… Maybe you can have Gravel and Will Grigg on concurrently….
I think far too highly of Will to waste his time on such trivialities. (Sorry for wasting ya’ll’s.)
The Trekke….. No CO2 emissions….
Bob B, you are derailing this serious consensus-building effort. If this global democracy is to work, we’re going to have to keep our focus.
On the other hand, global government is the logical implication if you believe in government.
On the other hand, global government is the logical implication if you believe in government.
I don’t know…. You might have a general consensus amongst a fairly heterogeneous community as to governance….but to try to extrapolate that out to a completely different culture (perhaps even speaking a different language) seems a recipr for disaster - especially if instituted through the barrel of a gun….
Also, if something works on a local level….it might or might not work in another… I believe the states are called the “laboratories of democracy” for this reason.
If I don’t like a local representative I probably have reasonable access to this party or can even run against him. I have no idea how a citizen would deal with a grievance against Global Government….
AG: Per your (fairly critical) Lew Rockwell comment on Gravel I believe you said he was good on Gun Issues…..
How is this consistent with his idea of all rights being subject to majority rule?
“Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.”
— Oscar Wilde “The Soul of Man Under Socialism,” 1891
The non-voter thing is looking better and better to me.
While I could see getting Gravel into a broad-based coalition to get the USG out of the Muslim world (and hopefully Germany, Japan, etc as Gravel suggested to his credit too) like Scott and others frequently talk about, I think it should be fairly obvious that he’s not an individualist (for anyone that wasn’t clear to before Scott interviewed him). As such, he would be more at home in the Green party or staying a Democrat for ballot access reasons.
If you’re going to vote for people at all, I think you have to with the understanding that you’re not going to agree with any candidate on everything unless you run for office yourself. And that once elected your dream candidate is going to do things differently than you would do and fuck some things up.The late, great Harry Browne said something along these lines albeit more eloquently.
I’m not optimistic about reforms via electoral engagement. The whole “We’re the government and we exist to protect your rights! Hand over your money to pay for it or we’ll violate your rights however severely we deem fit for failure to comply!” contradiction isn’t reconcilable.
OK… man I just listened to Gravel and it was freaking hysterical.
What I think you are all missing, though, is that Gravel is the newest form of libertarian. He is a cosmotarian, straight out of the New Republic and ranting like a good Hit & Runner.
20$ says the kochtopus treats him with 8 kid gloves.