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Cheney Debunked Again (a year ago)

Dick Cheney is a liar. A lousy one. He is again threatening that "al Qaeda in Iraq" (which he would have you believe is interchangeable with the "al Qaeda in Waziristan" he let escape in 2001) will take over the fertile crescent if U.S. forces withdraw. In this version, they will make so much money from control over the oil that they will somehow be a threat to us or something…

Well, last summer when Rudy Giuliani tried to pretend that al Qaeda was motivated to attack the United States due to freedom for women and to paint Rep. Ron Paul M.D. as some sort of terrorist sympathizer for stating the plain truth in the War Party’s house about Osama’s tactic of provoking a full scale invasion of Afghanistan (Iraq was a bonus) in order to bleed our empire dry and force our combat troops off of what they consider to be holy land, the Arabian peninsula - and out of the Muslim world at large - I decided to see what the experts had to say.

I came up with Ron Paul’s Reading List for the Farsighted: Interviews for Antiwar Radio with Robert A. Pape, Michael Scheuer, Chalmers Johnson, Philip Giraldi and Ray McGovern. They said Ron Paul was right and that Rudy Giuliani was ridiculous.

In particular, they addressed the fact that Osama bin Laden has every reason to be pleased that the U.S. occupies Iraq and that "al Qaeda in Iraq" (which did not exist until more than a year and a half after the invasion) was only tolerated to the degree they were while helping to fight the occupation.

(Now that the U.S. has temporarily bribed the "Sunni insurgency," whom they’ve renamed the "Concerned Local Citizens" or "Sons of Iraq," to stop fighting Americans and instead help fight al Qaeda, they have actually put many of the al Qaeda men on the payroll as well, according to Patrick Cockburn who told me that he saw this with his own eyes.)

Anyway, last May I asked Philip Giraldi, a former counter-terrorism officer in the CIA and columnist for Antiwar.com, whether the War Party was right in pointing to a threat of an al Qaeda takeover of Iraq in the event of U.S. withdrawal, he answered:

"No. I think the reality is that if the United States leaves it will be a very bad thing for al Qaeda because the Sunnis don't particularly want them around and would get rid of them.

"There have already been reports that the Sunnis are already kind of tired of them because when they stage a major provocation or attack, it's the local Sunni population that has to take the grief when the U.S. Army descends. … It's a marriage of convenience with al Qaeda insofar as it's a marriage at all. So I think it would be fallacious to assume - In fact, let me [say it] stronger than that: I think it would be ridiculous to assume that al Qaeda could establish some kind of serious presence in Iraq similar to what it did in Afghanistan because the dynamic is completely different."

If Dick Cheney’s militia can’t take over the place, how are we supposed to believe that a ragtag group of Egyptians, Lybians and Saudis can?

(I first debunked this nonsense on Antiwar.com back in 2005.)

Thanks to Anders, A UK blogger and Stress regular, who created this short Youtube to help drive the point home.

(Cross-posted at Antiwar.com)

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  1. Great stuff thanks, and it’s a good job cheney has no credibility left otherwise he’d have just lost a whole lot more, the sad thing is Sean Hannity’s audience will buy into what Cheney said and really believe that al qeada are capable of taking over parts of Iraq, as Giraldi says, it’s ridiculous .

    Posted by Anders | April 15, 2008, 6:41 am
  2. Hannity compares Ahmedinejad with Nazism, says were safer because of the Iraq war

    Why doesn’t he just come out say it, “i hate muslims and want to kill them”, it would be a lot easier than beating around the bush.

    Posted by Anders | April 15, 2008, 9:31 am
  3. Posted by Anders | April 15, 2008, 10:03 am
  4. Congratulations Scott on another brilliant interview with Andrew Cockburn, the most important journalist in the world [?]. Can’t wait to get my hands on Muqtada… I finished Cockburn’s The Occupation: War and Resistance in Iraq a few months ago and it was brilliant, and devastating. To think that the yuppie turds at Slate claim to be “journalists”–Cockburn is a journalist, the Slate, WaPo, NYT herds are a bunch of careerists and pansies.

    Posted by lakdsjfa | April 15, 2008, 10:32 am
  5. …If McCain is against the “Water Boarding” [i.e. repeated drowning and resuscitating] of Americans, does that means he’s become a progressive??

    Posted by Mace Price | April 15, 2008, 10:49 am
  6. He probably thought they meant surfing.

    Posted by phil | April 15, 2008, 12:51 pm
  7. …Hell of it is, Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, Beck, Gallagher, and other neo-Con Media Propagandists plugged into Dana Perino’s Office have lead many Americans to believe that it’s nothing less than placing a rag, towel, piece of fabric etc., over the victims face, and then repeatedly pouring water over it…Trust me it’s not…It amounts to forced inhalation of saturated fabric…The more air the victim gasps and gulps for, the deeper the rag is sucked down into the Bronchia by such exertions—Of course it doesn’t quite put The US; once the acknowledged moral arbiter of Western Civilization in relative terms on the level of The Qaeda’s Video Taping Decapitations and throat cuttings—But it’s made us contenders…What the hell…Let me cite a better example of what we seem to verify becoming: During the Dec. 1944 Battle of The Bulge, Gen. Anthony McCauliffe (of ‘Tell ‘em Nuts!’ fame) received a demand by Wehrmacht General Heinrich Von Luttwitz that he surrender the surrounded elements of the 101st ABN DV in and around Bastogne. Von Luttwitz then offered an ultimatum of his doing so within 2 hours; or face annihilation…What is interesting is the last sentence used by Von Luttwitz, in the event that Gen. McCaulife refused to surrender his command:

    “All the serious civilian losses caused by [our resulting] artillery fire would not correspond with the well known American humanity. —The German Commander”

    …I do not think that comment would be proffered today.

    Posted by Mace Price | April 15, 2008, 3:28 pm
  8. My grandfather was in that war.

    Posted by Scott | April 15, 2008, 3:49 pm
  9. Not that it was the good war or anything, but it’s still a shame to see all pretense abandoned.

    Posted by Scott | April 15, 2008, 4:12 pm
  10. Whilst searching for that Cheney audio i came across sean hannity interviewing Michael Ledeen, it’s unbelievable, he is coming out with all the same shit the neo-cons came out with prior to Iraq, IE he said that “Iran would be so easy to do”, “the Iranians are crying out to be freed” etc, these idiots never give or or know when to admit that their policy of bringing “democracy” through the barrel of a gun is seriously flawed. If anyone want to hear it you can get it free on itunes, it’s Hannity’s podcast, thats if you can stomach the thought of listening to it, i think it’s from last year sometime.

    Posted by Anders | April 15, 2008, 4:26 pm
  11. Thanks, but no thanks.

    Posted by Scott | April 15, 2008, 5:02 pm
  12. :) I don’t blame you. Put it this way, Charles ‘space ghost’ Goyette’s interview with him shits all over Hannity’s.

    Posted by Anders | April 15, 2008, 5:18 pm
  13. …Yeah I know…a little bit of Hanitty and the rest of that bunch the goes along way, I can’t endure more than 2-3 minutes of his patent, neo-Con Cheer Leading and Mendacity…In fact Fox’s entire format is a bad joke, aimed at a low level of intelligence…In the end Sean Hanitty’s one of those people who thinks he’s right…and he isn’t…He isn’t right about anything.

    Posted by Mace Price | April 16, 2008, 8:15 am
  14. Hannity and the neo-cons are basically saying, we must do to them first what we think they “might” do to us (or Israel) at some stage in the future, bomb, invade, kill, occupy and rule them.

    Posted by Anders | April 16, 2008, 8:47 am
  15. Interesting that it’s estimated that “al qeada in Iraq” is said to be around 1,000 – 2,000 strong yet here in the UK our home secretary is saying this when arguing the need for a 42 day without charges detainment of “terror suspects”-

    “There are 2,000 individuals who are being monitored. There are 200 networks involved and 30 active plots.”

    Their is as many al qeada here in Britain than in Iraq ? :O

    Posted by Anders | April 16, 2008, 10:07 am
  16. “An emboldened al Qaeda with access to Iraq’s oil resources could pursue its ambitions to acquire weapons of mass destruction to attack America and other free nations.”

    from Bush’s 5th anniversary iraq speech

    Posted by Anders | April 16, 2008, 12:36 pm
  17. …Wonder what Jebbie Bush’s 15th Anniversary of The Iraq Occupation speech will sound like?

    Posted by Mace Price | April 16, 2008, 11:35 pm
  18. “we mustn’t pull out, it would embolden the space alien faction al qeada if we engage in a precipitous withdrawal, we must stay the course because gong, (the outer space commander of the AQIS “al qeada in space” faction) has pledged he want’s to destroy Israel and take over Iraqs oil” – Jeb Bush Iraq war 15th anniversary speech.

    Posted by Anders | April 17, 2008, 5:20 am
  19. Moe Bush / Curly Cheney 15th anniversary occupation commemorative photo:

    http://www.altfg.com/blog/actors/the-three-stooges-hitler-lampoon/

    Posted by phil | April 17, 2008, 8:52 pm

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