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Zeitgeist
I just finished the watching the documentary Zeitgeist. It’s very interesting and I’d like to know what some of the rest of you think of it.
Google video has a copy here
This is a torrent link to a DVD ISO image that can be burned or mounted. In my view, not much more quality is gained over the Google version.
Official Website.
The film is constructed in 3 parts.
Notes on part 1:
* Suggested origin of Judeo-Christian religions as being Egyptian.
* Comparison of Jesus and Horus
* Suggestion that Jesus never lived at all.
* 100 million Americans believe in the Biblical “end of the world” story.
* Vatican dominates Europe, instigates Crusades and other horrors.
Notes on part 2:
* Basic 9/11 conspiracy stuff, whittled down to most potent evidence.
* Buildings were demolished, no plane wreckage found, thermite used, evidence destroyed, videotapes secret etc.
Notes on part 3:
* Longest part
* Vicious, Ed Griffin-style attack on Federal Reserve.
* Repeated use of made-up or provoked “enemy” attacks by US government, including Lusitania, Pearl Harbour, and Gulf of Tonkin.
* International bankers like Warburg and Rothschild profit from war
* Rockefellers profit from both US and Nazi sides in WW2.
* Suggestion that US Federal Income Tax is unconstitutional and no actual law exists.
* US goes off Gold Standard, Feds confiscate all gold in 1930s.
* Prescott Bush shields Nazi money
* North American treaty to create “Amerro” currency.
* One world government.
* Aaron Russo reveals conversations with Rockefellers.
The flick also contains segments of comedy routines by Bill Hicks and George Carlin, as well as footage from the film “Network”, brilliantly written by Paddy Chayefsky and performed by Peter Finch. Going into this film, I expected a left-dissident approach, but that’s not what this is. There’s no talk of “the workers” or anything like that. Anarchism, which usually connotes a Lefty point of view, is never mentioned. The final sequences talk about the power of the individual, and given the references to the Fed and the Gold Standard, in addition to the attack on the Income Tax, it’s difficult to see this film as something Chomsky would entirely approve of. Instead, it’s more of an Antony Sutton world view.
My initial impressions are that it is an excellent entertainment, although it could use some edits. It is long and the Jesus segment lacks relevance to the second and third parts. In fact, the film might be better without the opening salvo against Christianity. The 9/11 segment may or may not be factually accurate, but it is ruthlessly edited. The film uses a narrator in parts, and he is easy to listen to. As a filmmaking exercise, the movie is technically a success. Artistically and factually are entirely other matters.
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I thought the Christianity part had something to it until I talked with a friend about it and he pointed out how thin a lot of the arguments were.
I gave up during the 911 crap - “ruthlessly edited” to exclude anything accurate.
Never got to the end part. Here’s what I think of Russo’s flick and the technicalitarians: http://thestressblog.com/2006/07/31/freedom-to-fascism-i-want-my-fiat-money-back/
I guess if it really is a Zeitgeist and is getting seen by entire segments of the country then it’s either good that people are being exposed to antigovernment propaganda, no matter how inaccurate, or it’s a net loss in that it seems only a bunch of kooks with no regard for decent footnotes hold such beliefs.
You stopped watching before it got to the good stuff.
Maybe they shouldn’t have put so much crap in it.
I have a similar criticism of Zeitgeist that I have of Esoteric Agenda: Esoteric Agenda criticizes people for groupthink–for going along with what other people say and not using logic and facts that can be verified. Yet, Esoteric Agenda does not give enough facts that we can verify what they are saying. So, it is an awareness-raising film…not a logical argument. I feel Zeitgeist is also an awareness-raising film. There is nothing wrong with that. However, I don’t feel great about associating my name with some information until I have a very high degree of confidence in it. Myth is the bane of our history.
That being said, I don’t believe in either the Christian or official 9/11 mythology.
People want to say 9/11 was too big to be anything but the official story, so no matter how many facts indicate something is wrong, they simply go along with the obviously flawed story. Incidentally, Occam’s Razor has the requirement that an explanation must fit the facts.
Scott, I think you should think about how some myths have been shattered. How did we figure out Earth is not flat? What did Galileo do to find truth and shed myth?
I think efforts to prove or disprove Christianity kind of miss the point. It’s a religion, people. It’s faith. It’s unprovable, unfalsifiable. It’s what one believes or doesn’t believe that is simply beyond the realm of empiricism and proof.
Reminds me of a line from a Leonard Cohen song “your faith was strong but you needed proof”
Yeah you’re right Anthony. It’s beyond natural means to prove what is beyond natural. That’s like being a fish and arguing about the depth of the Grand Canyon.